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Alright, alright, alright,
shut up!

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Shut up!

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Shut your goddamn mouth,

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and let me make
a piece of my mind.

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Alright!

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Everybody
that likes to rape women,

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say, "Sieg Heil!"

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Sieg Heil!

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What are we doing?

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We...

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Yeah!

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What's up?

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Huh?
I guess we're going home.

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I'm trying to bring peace to this world.
I hope you guys are happy.

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It's real stoked.

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Peace! Love! Whatever...

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- No it doesn't.
- It happens all the time.

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It's good shit, man.

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We are going to keep on

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trying to strengthen
the American family

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to make American families
a lot more like the Waltons

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and a lot less like the Simpsons.

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If you believe in free speech,

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people have the right
to burn a cross,

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people have a right
to burn the flag.

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It's offending people, and it's
offending somebody's religion

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or offending somebody's love
of country. What's the difference?

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You offend people every day.
Should you go to jail?

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♪ In the land of the free

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♪ And the home of the brave ♪

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I wanna take the president,

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chop off his head, and mail it
to them in a garbage bag.

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♪ Hinkley had a vision

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♪ Hinkley had a vision... ♪

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Jerry! Jerry!

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- Jerry! Jerry!
- Thank you very much!

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'And now, here he is,
the conservative voice of television,

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'Wally George!'

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Today we're gonna take a look
into the world of shock rock,

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rock music that is violent, scary,
and even perverse.

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We have one of the most
disgusting perverts

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I've ever seen in my whole life
on the show here.

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Here is El Duce.

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Hold on!

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Hey, hold it!

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How do you describe your music?

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Well, it's rape rock.

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"Rape rock"?

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You know, I wanna be polite
to anyone who comes on our show,

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but I gotta say, when I hear
that you promote rape,

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that is not only thoroughly disgusting,

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but it can't possibly
be viewed as entertainment.

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Well, it is to me.

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Duce!

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I have two sons, a sixteen-year-old
who's sitting in the audience now,

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and a ten-year-old, and I try to teach
my sons how to be respectful,

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and that sodomizing people...

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Do you realize that
Sodom and Gomorrah in the Bible

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was destroyed by God
because that was wrong?

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Do you realize that?

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I like music, but I do not like things
that promote violence against people.

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Let me ask you something.
When were you raped?

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I was raped in '70.

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You look kind of familiar,
I have to say.

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No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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Sorry.

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That's just...
That's just plain disrespectful.

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- I mean, that's not...
- He doesn't know any better.

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That's not a point of view.

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Oh, Wally!

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You shouldn't have the right
to be on any stage

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or any radio station
in the United States of America.

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And now, here they are: Gwar.

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- Uh, you like Gwar, huh?
- Yes.

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Is it OK that some of the message,
let's say, is violent?

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- Would that be OK?
- Yes.

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That's OK?

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Well, um, obviously...

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I think, yeah, ours is simulated.

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And theirs is real!

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- One time...
- When he's on the sauce!

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When he's on the sauce!

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One time, we had the misfortune
of taking El Duce...

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Being on bus with him
is horrible.

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From New York City...

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The whole band, the whole band...

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There's sixteen of us,
and all of them in our bus.

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It was like...
no room at all to do anything.

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We were taking him
from New York City to Richmond.

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He had this punching balloon
like kids play with.

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He kept whacking it.

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First, he started spitting on it,
like, licking big loogies on it,

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and then he'd go,
boogey-boogey-boogey...

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so it splashed everywhere.

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- Yeah.
- But then...

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- But then...
- He peed on it.

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And he was, like,
running around the bus,

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going tk-uh-tk-uh-tk-uh...

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into people's face
with this pee balloon.

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He gets on stage,

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pulls his pants down,

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pulls his dick out, and starts
flopping it around and stuff,

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and then some super sick
gross slut

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runs out on stage
and starts sucking him off

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in front of the whole audience.

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- And...
- Gross!

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Eurgh!

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In front of the whole
fucking audience!

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And the bouncers didn't do
a goddamn thing.

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OK, this is because..

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He's one of the weirdest guys
I know, man.

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I like him.

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I like him, because
he's always nice to me.

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He always is nice to me,
but I really...

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You know, it does bother me a little bit
the way he treats women.

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Very early on, he started referring
to the band as "rape rock", which I...

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If you asked me earlier,
was there anything,

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any song or anything that really, uh...
I thought was going a little too far,

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when he first came out with that,
I thought that was going a little too far.

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Personally, I'm not in favor
of rape, you know,

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I think it's hideous, and uh...

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So, to that extent, I think
that's going a little too far,

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but again,
that's his personal vision.

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What kind of people
go to your gigs?

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Uh, we get sort of a broad mix,
you know,

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we get a lot of your kind
of nihilistic punkers

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and some of your intellectuals.

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What do you think
of your brother?

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I think he's rocking.

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Is he?

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- He's a real man.
- Yeah.

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El Duce, your brother,
is a real man?

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- He's a real Aryan man.
- Yeah!

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Yeah! Sieg Heil!

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♪ Your daughter is my victim

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♪ Yeah-eee-ay! ♪

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So El Duce is, um...

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Do El Duce's lyrics offend you?

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No, not really.

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The one song, "On The Rag",
kind of...

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"When I'm On The Rag",
that bothers me.

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But...

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Do you think he is serious
about his lyrics,

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or do you think he's kind
of just trying to have a laugh?

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I think a little of both.

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I don't know which more,
you know,

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which one is more...

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But...

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Does he ever scare you?

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No.

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He's... you know,
he's pretty nice, you know...

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for being a Mentor, you know.

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Where do you think he gets
his ideas for lyrics?

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Mm...

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From, um...

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what he's seen other people
cringe about.

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Like a few...

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He loves to see people cringe.

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Even once or twice
I think they picketed,

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feminist groups
have picketed the man.

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Rape rock is not a joke!
Rape rock is not a joke!

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What do you think of the demonstration
that's going on outside?

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I think it's great.

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'Ted Weatherhead,
CBC News, Winnipeg.'

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You know, a lot of girls
trip out about it, but...

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you know, they shouldn't
take that all so seriously.

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Do you think it's clever?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the way they come up
with these ideas.

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It's pretty perverted,
but, you know...

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It's really funny
that they think of these things.

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I figure, you know,
El Duce is his own man.

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He's, uh...
In his own way he's a genius

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and a great comedian
and a great musician.

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So I don't want to attempt

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to put his point of view
through my filter.

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You know, I'm content
to play my part with the music

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and whatever he comes up with
in terms of his lyrics, uh...

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You know, I'm a great El Duce fan,
just from being in the band,

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it's great to watch him come up
with new lyrics and funny lines.

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So I would consider myself

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probably one of the greatest
connoisseurs of what he does,

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and I'm able -
at least I think I am -

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to recognize a good El Duce
performance from a bad one.

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I think to a certain extent,
he's, like, a great artist

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in that he doesn't really give
a damn what people think of him.

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You know, if you look at a Van Gogh
or something like that,

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these guys are so far out
in their own thing...

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they're just doing what they're doing,
they're on autopilot.

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And I think he's on autopilot.

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He's not calculating anything
in minute details.

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He's not saying, "I'm going to sing
this particular line

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"cos I think this is going
to make the biggest impact."

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I think he's going to do what he...
what comes naturally.

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It's a legitimate expression
of his own psyche.

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Um...

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That's kind of a tough one,

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I guess maybe "Free Fix For A Fuck"
is a big favorite of mine.

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The lyrics that sort of pictorialized
abuse to women and all that

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doesn't bother you?

201
00:17:41,261 --> 00:17:47,601
Well, I like the "Straight Out Of Compton"
NWA tape, too.

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I heard that and I ran down
and bought it.

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It's talking about stuff
that is in some people's heads.

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He'll bring it out. Like...

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If El and them...

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If they were just running around
raping chicks

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that didn't want to be raped
and doing all this shit,

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if NWA was out gangbanging,

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I wouldn't be into their music.

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But they're musicians,
they're not into that stuff at all.

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You know, they're just talking
about a reflection

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of part of the human condition.

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And El has just... He has
such a humorous twist to it,

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nobody could take it offensively.

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Turn on the camera,
I'm ready to rock.

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You better have that camera
on there, Ryan.

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Is that right?

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Does this light work?

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Yeah.

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Peaceful rape.

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What's peaceful rape?

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That's when you knock
a broad out on...

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Thorazine...

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maybe some, um...

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'ludes.

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So you don't believe in, uh...?

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No, no, let me finish.

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Then hypnotism.

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Babe...

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take your bra off.

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Slut.

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Peel your panties off.

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Your clitoris here.

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Lock them legs.

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Uh! Uh! Mm...

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Ah! Swallow it.

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It's as easy as that.

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Heil Hitler.

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Mm!

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Mm, mm, mm, mm,
mm, mm, mm, mm... Mm!

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Mm!

242
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Mm!

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00:20:43,443 --> 00:20:45,779
Have you always drank
for relaxation?

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I've been an alcoholic all my life.

245
00:20:50,283 --> 00:20:53,220
I stole my first beer from my dad.

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- El Duce likes to drink a lot.
- Yeah.

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He says he has
an alcohol problem.

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Yeah, he's a full-on alcoholic.

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El Duce when he's sober
is a really nice guy,

250
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when he's drunk he's horrible.

251
00:21:08,869 --> 00:21:12,272
That way I know
that only I can drink it.

252
00:21:12,372 --> 00:21:15,175
Anybody who drinks it,
drinks my spit.

253
00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,177
El Duce drinks a lot
when he's around you?

254
00:21:17,277 --> 00:21:18,612
Yeah.

255
00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:20,456
He probably drinks a lot
when he's not around you.

256
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,815
Yeah.

257
00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:24,484
Is that a problem for you?

258
00:21:25,786 --> 00:21:30,157
Sometimes when
he's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

259
00:21:32,392 --> 00:21:34,628
What do you think of El
as a human being?

260
00:21:34,728 --> 00:21:39,065
Well, see, personally
I'm really fond of him, and...

261
00:21:41,601 --> 00:21:43,069
I don't know,

262
00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:45,972
part of it is because we worked
at the Ivar Theater together

263
00:21:46,072 --> 00:21:48,341
for a long time,
we have memories...

264
00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:51,745
you know, about all the shit
that went down there.

265
00:21:51,845 --> 00:21:53,880
You also are the Master of Ceremonies

266
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:57,050
at one of the grimiest places
I know of in Hollywood,

267
00:21:57,150 --> 00:22:01,388
the Ivar Theater,
which features naked dancers.

268
00:22:04,224 --> 00:22:08,028
- You worked at the Ivar Theater?
- Yeah.

269
00:22:08,128 --> 00:22:10,931
- Is that the best job you ever had?
- Yeah.

270
00:22:11,031 --> 00:22:15,502
I worked there for about eight years,
I got to run the spot light,

271
00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:18,138
and play the girls' cassette tapes,

272
00:22:18,238 --> 00:22:21,241
and play the porno movies
and announce the girls,

273
00:22:21,341 --> 00:22:24,077
all up in the light booth.

274
00:22:24,978 --> 00:22:27,180
Yeah, he was the light man
at the Ivar.

275
00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:30,382
Yeah.

276
00:22:30,483 --> 00:22:32,252
So, he brought Steve by?

277
00:22:32,352 --> 00:22:35,388
No, actually he wanted me
to go dance, do a show,

278
00:22:35,488 --> 00:22:39,125
cos the chicks
he had doing his show...

279
00:22:40,293 --> 00:22:42,462
were flaking out.

280
00:22:42,562 --> 00:22:45,432
And I'd listened to his music,
I thought his music was really good,

281
00:22:45,532 --> 00:22:48,768
but that wasn't my scene,
I wasn't into going.

282
00:22:48,869 --> 00:22:51,404
But my girlfriend Zylmar says,

283
00:22:51,504 --> 00:22:55,208
"Yeah let's go, let's go."
So I said, "OK."

284
00:22:55,308 --> 00:22:58,778
And then when I started meeting
these other guys, you know.

285
00:22:59,446 --> 00:23:00,347
Yes.

286
00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:05,518
Yes. I'm a stripper at the Ivar Theater,
and I'm damn proud of it, too!

287
00:23:05,619 --> 00:23:07,320
Right on, Duce!

288
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:40,453
Hey, all you sluts out there,

289
00:23:40,553 --> 00:23:46,192
are you tired of hanging out
with a bunch of low-life glam rock fags?

290
00:23:47,127 --> 00:23:51,665
Why don't you go for a real man,
a booze-guzzling, porno-reading man?

291
00:23:52,933 --> 00:23:57,470
Just enter the Mentors
Dream Date Contest,

292
00:23:57,570 --> 00:24:01,641
and you can win a good date
with me, El Duce.

293
00:24:02,876 --> 00:24:06,246
Do what they're doing in these
dirty magazines with me, baby.

294
00:24:06,780 --> 00:24:10,016
How long have you been
El Duce's girlfriend?

295
00:24:10,116 --> 00:24:11,685
Um...

296
00:24:13,086 --> 00:24:15,155
About six weeks.

297
00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:18,525
So, how did you run into him?

298
00:24:19,626 --> 00:24:24,531
The first time that I met him,
just hanging out in Hollywood,

299
00:24:24,631 --> 00:24:28,935
just hanging out drinking, trashing.

300
00:24:29,035 --> 00:24:31,972
Do you remember
the first time you met him?

301
00:24:32,072 --> 00:24:35,709
Yeah. Yeah, I remember.
Saw him on the street.

302
00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:38,878
It was him and a couple of his friends,
and I was the only girl there,

303
00:24:38,979 --> 00:24:43,049
and they wanted to not hang out
in Hollywood drinking cos of the cops,

304
00:24:43,149 --> 00:24:45,185
and they wanted to go
to this one place.

305
00:24:45,285 --> 00:24:49,923
First I was up for it, and then
I started thinking, "This is El Duce.

306
00:24:50,023 --> 00:24:51,725
"There's three guys
and just one of me."

307
00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:54,160
And I just kind of blew them off.

308
00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:57,030
I was like,
"I forgot I got something to do."

309
00:24:57,130 --> 00:24:59,499
You know, I thought
something would happen.

310
00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:05,505
- What did you hear about him?
- Oh, a lot of stories.

311
00:25:05,605 --> 00:25:08,508
You know, El Duce stories,
his reputation.

312
00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:11,978
- Like what?
- About...

313
00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:13,780
About being a big pervert

314
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,785
and stuff he does to girls and stuff,
you know, cos this guy said,

315
00:25:18,885 --> 00:25:21,888
"Oh, he'll piss all over you,
he'll rape you,"

316
00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:24,228
this and that, you know,
and I was kind of scared of him.

317
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:29,062
Do a lot of girls come on
to El Duce at the concerts?

318
00:25:30,563 --> 00:25:32,032
Enough do.

319
00:25:33,166 --> 00:25:35,201
Yeah, I...

320
00:25:35,301 --> 00:25:38,605
I think one is enough,
you know, too much.

321
00:25:38,705 --> 00:25:42,008
- Duce say anything to 'em?
- Oh, yeah, he loves it.

322
00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:44,511
Does he treat you nicely?

323
00:25:44,611 --> 00:25:47,147
Yeah, he treats me pretty good.

324
00:25:49,682 --> 00:25:52,452
How did you all get together
as Mentors?

325
00:25:52,552 --> 00:25:55,722
Well, The Mentors
got together in Seattle,

326
00:25:55,822 --> 00:25:57,724
and we've been childhood friends.

327
00:25:57,824 --> 00:26:02,529
I've known El Duce
since we were in 4th grade.

328
00:26:02,629 --> 00:26:04,731
We went to the same
elementary school together,

329
00:26:04,831 --> 00:26:09,269
and then I met Sickie
when we were in 7th grade.

330
00:26:09,369 --> 00:26:10,837
We're all the same age.

331
00:26:15,442 --> 00:26:17,410
1976.

332
00:26:19,079 --> 00:26:21,247
Right when the Sex Pistols
came out.

333
00:26:21,347 --> 00:26:23,650
- Before.
- Before?

334
00:26:25,618 --> 00:26:28,188
First of all, I can't believe
that El Duce is only 32, though.

335
00:26:28,288 --> 00:26:30,723
How old are you going to be
this birthday?

336
00:26:30,824 --> 00:26:34,894
- Same age as Jesus Christ.
- As they were nailing him down.

337
00:26:35,895 --> 00:26:38,798
Hey, if he could be nailed,
I'll be nailed.

338
00:26:38,898 --> 00:26:40,967
If Jesus could take it,
I can take it.

339
00:26:41,901 --> 00:26:43,636
When did you start playing music?

340
00:26:44,704 --> 00:26:46,973
When I was about seven years old.

341
00:26:47,974 --> 00:26:49,776
And then I got really into the drums,

342
00:26:49,876 --> 00:26:55,081
and I'd listen to records that
my mom and dad would play and stuff.

343
00:26:55,181 --> 00:26:57,550
When my dad was drunk
and in a good mood,

344
00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:59,486
trying to fuck my mom,

345
00:26:59,586 --> 00:27:02,622
and they'd put on the Tijuana Brass
or whatever, you know,

346
00:27:02,722 --> 00:27:06,926
and I'd listen to it, and I'd go like,
"Wow, man, I dig that drum sound."

347
00:27:11,097 --> 00:27:13,199
He started the drums very early.

348
00:27:13,299 --> 00:27:16,369
I think he started drum lessons
in 3rd or 4th grade,

349
00:27:16,469 --> 00:27:18,004
and he had so much native talent

350
00:27:18,104 --> 00:27:21,808
that he established himself very quickly
in the drumming classes.

351
00:27:21,908 --> 00:27:24,644
The best student, essentially.

352
00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:27,280
And I think
when he was in 6th grade,

353
00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:30,550
he joined this All City Youth Orchestra,
you know,

354
00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:32,218
which was like the crème de la crème

355
00:27:32,318 --> 00:27:36,823
of all the musicians in Seattle,
you know, the child musicians.

356
00:27:36,923 --> 00:27:39,192
So he played big concerts
at the Symphony Hall

357
00:27:39,292 --> 00:27:40,860
with this youth orchestra.

358
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,729
Then he was later in drum corps,

359
00:27:42,829 --> 00:27:45,932
which is a marching
kind of drum corps thing.

360
00:27:46,032 --> 00:27:49,202
He was always very good at that,
he could read music very well,

361
00:27:49,302 --> 00:27:52,872
and he knew his way around
the drums perfectly.

362
00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:56,543
What really motivated me
was Jimmy Hendrix Experience.

363
00:27:56,643 --> 00:27:58,578
I wanted to play drums
like Mitch Mitchell.

364
00:28:01,681 --> 00:28:05,752
Then I got a hip to The Who,
and I wanted to play like Keith Moon.

365
00:28:07,954 --> 00:28:13,159
And then I got
into jazz fusion music.

366
00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:16,362
Then I wanted to play
like Billy Cobham.

367
00:28:17,163 --> 00:28:19,132
And then as time marched by,

368
00:28:19,232 --> 00:28:22,902
I just kind of combined all those styles
all into my own style.

369
00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:38,918
He was into sort of funk
and jazz rock and stuff like that

370
00:28:39,018 --> 00:28:41,588
which we were into, too,
like Mahavishnu Orchestra

371
00:28:41,688 --> 00:28:44,123
and Chick Corea,
"Return to Forever",

372
00:28:44,224 --> 00:28:47,227
and all that kind of fusion jazz rock
that was going on at the time.

373
00:28:54,334 --> 00:28:58,304
If you all were into this kind
of advanced Jazz fusion type of music

374
00:28:58,404 --> 00:29:00,974
that not many people were playing,
kids your age anyway,

375
00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:06,479
how did you end up in sort
of the punk rock and metal areas?

376
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:09,949
Well, I guess in a way it was sort
of a conscious sell-out.

377
00:29:11,150 --> 00:29:14,320
We were so into this fusion thing
and we tried to play fusion,

378
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:16,155
we worked up
a lot of these original songs

379
00:29:16,256 --> 00:29:20,126
in the band before The Mentors,
The Eldon Hoke Band,

380
00:29:20,226 --> 00:29:22,762
we played exclusively
instrumental fusion.

381
00:29:22,862 --> 00:29:24,397
But there was just nowhere
to play it.

382
00:29:24,497 --> 00:29:25,865
There was one club I remember

383
00:29:25,965 --> 00:29:28,635
that they advertised that
they wanted that kind of stuff,

384
00:29:28,735 --> 00:29:30,446
and we went in there
and tried to get a gig there.

385
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:32,905
They wouldn't let us play there,
it just was going nowhere,

386
00:29:33,006 --> 00:29:35,975
so it was sort of
the kind of thing that we...

387
00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:39,245
I guess you'd consider it
a conscious sell-out.

388
00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:42,915
Well, see, no one really understood
our fusion music,

389
00:29:43,016 --> 00:29:46,786
so I said, "We got to entertain
these clowns,

390
00:29:46,886 --> 00:29:49,889
"so let's sing some dirty lyrics.

391
00:29:49,989 --> 00:29:51,724
"Throw them in there."

392
00:29:51,824 --> 00:29:55,895
So we went from jazz fusion...

393
00:29:57,563 --> 00:29:59,232
to perversion,

394
00:29:59,332 --> 00:30:01,968
and then we just broke it down
into easy rock

395
00:30:02,068 --> 00:30:04,504
that they could understand.

396
00:30:04,604 --> 00:30:06,773
- Punk rock.
- Yeah, punk rock.

397
00:30:51,017 --> 00:30:53,953
The Dean of Students
at Roosevelt High school.

398
00:30:55,221 --> 00:30:59,425
I used to cause a lot of vandalism,
cos I hated everybody.

399
00:30:59,525 --> 00:31:03,262
I used to blow up toilets
with M-80s, and...

400
00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:09,769
you know, write dirty drawings
all over the walls and shoplift.

401
00:31:09,869 --> 00:31:13,573
I did everything, and set fires,
I did all kinds of shit.

402
00:31:13,673 --> 00:31:18,378
Anything that raised hell,
I would do it.

403
00:31:18,478 --> 00:31:21,681
You know, I used to urinate in jars

404
00:31:21,781 --> 00:31:24,717
and pour them on the radiators
in the morning

405
00:31:24,817 --> 00:31:26,486
because it was freezing cold
in Seattle,

406
00:31:26,586 --> 00:31:30,923
like it was 40 degrees outside,
you're freezing cold.

407
00:31:31,023 --> 00:31:33,493
You come into the school,
you want to warm up,

408
00:31:33,593 --> 00:31:39,565
and here is a radiator
with urine smell pouring off of it.

409
00:31:39,665 --> 00:31:44,270
I used to shit in foil
and stack it in the freezer

410
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:46,973
and I'd take it to school,
let it thaw out,

411
00:31:47,073 --> 00:31:49,809
and then I'd smear it
all over the door knobs

412
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:53,713
of all the classrooms,
and vomit.

413
00:31:53,813 --> 00:31:56,082
I did all kinds of sick shit.

414
00:31:56,182 --> 00:32:00,653
I could go on for hours telling
you all the sick shit I did.

415
00:32:00,753 --> 00:32:04,390
But I was just the number one
nuisance to the school.

416
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:10,263
So finally I'm in this language arts class,

417
00:32:10,363 --> 00:32:12,365
and the teacher gets this call,

418
00:32:12,465 --> 00:32:17,470
"Will you send El Duce
down to the Dean of Students?"

419
00:32:17,570 --> 00:32:19,739
Oh, no!

420
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,643
Some dipshit finked me off.

421
00:32:23,743 --> 00:32:25,945
So I go down there,

422
00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:30,316
and sure enough these two idiots
that were working for me...

423
00:32:31,517 --> 00:32:34,754
So I go in there,
acting all smooth and shit,

424
00:32:34,854 --> 00:32:36,656
and I sit down,
the Dean of Students goes,

425
00:32:36,756 --> 00:32:39,158
"Alright, El Duce...

426
00:32:40,726 --> 00:32:43,963
"I have had reports that
you are the one behind everything.

427
00:32:44,063 --> 00:32:46,766
- "You're the mentor."
- And I go, "What?"

428
00:32:46,866 --> 00:32:50,069
He goes,
"You're the mentor behind it all."

429
00:32:50,169 --> 00:32:53,840
I just drilled it in my head and I go,
"Mentor? What do you mean, mentor?"

430
00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:55,818
And he goes, "Look it up
here in the dictionary."

431
00:32:55,842 --> 00:32:58,177
And he throws the dictionary
and he goes, "See that?

432
00:32:58,277 --> 00:33:00,012
"Read that to me."

433
00:33:00,046 --> 00:33:04,283
And I go, "Mentor, the one
that everybody looks up to..."

434
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:06,352
"You are the one
who instructed all these guys

435
00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:10,122
"to shit and piss and throw garbage
all over the school,

436
00:33:10,223 --> 00:33:11,858
"because you are the mentor."

437
00:33:11,958 --> 00:33:15,027
And he threw this big fit
about me being the mentor.

438
00:33:15,127 --> 00:33:17,396
So I just said,
"Fuck, that's the name of the band,

439
00:33:17,497 --> 00:33:21,033
"it's got to be The Mentors."

440
00:33:30,309 --> 00:33:32,311
♪ Rockin' and a rollin'
all the way... ♪

441
00:33:39,418 --> 00:33:42,054
Do you guys fight a lot
in the band?

442
00:33:42,154 --> 00:33:44,991
Um, me and Steve don't,

443
00:33:45,091 --> 00:33:47,927
but Sickie throws in the wrench
every time he can.

444
00:33:56,002 --> 00:33:58,905
Boy, maybe you should
write down some questions.

445
00:33:59,005 --> 00:34:01,340
Me and Sickie bicker
probably the worst.

446
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:02,742
What do you bicker about?

447
00:34:02,842 --> 00:34:05,044
Little petty ass things,

448
00:34:05,144 --> 00:34:07,179
the more pettier,
the more we bicker.

449
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,081
Do you fight about the music?

450
00:34:09,181 --> 00:34:12,318
No, we fight about
whose beer is whose.

451
00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:15,321
- No, I said Miller's Special.
- You owe me five bucks.

452
00:34:15,421 --> 00:34:17,323
Why do I owe you five bucks?

453
00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:19,492
Because I loaned you
the money to get it.

454
00:34:21,661 --> 00:34:23,362
Wow, Miller's on sale.

455
00:34:28,935 --> 00:34:31,003
Do you have a car?
Yeah, you came out in a car.

456
00:34:31,103 --> 00:34:33,072
After the gig,

457
00:34:33,172 --> 00:34:36,809
while Broy's waiting around
getting paid, we can trunk up,

458
00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:38,578
so we just better get the six.

459
00:34:39,946 --> 00:34:42,081
Miller in cans, I hate that shit.

460
00:34:47,053 --> 00:34:48,788
You owe me five bucks.

461
00:34:48,888 --> 00:34:50,089
How do I owe you five?

462
00:34:50,189 --> 00:34:53,926
Because I paid for the fucking beer,
and you owe me two beers

463
00:34:54,026 --> 00:34:56,495
and you wanted me
to loan you the money.

464
00:34:56,596 --> 00:34:58,431
Broy owes you the money,
he couldn't pay you,

465
00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:01,000
so I gave you five bucks
out of that.

466
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:02,435
Duh!

467
00:35:05,037 --> 00:35:06,839
Just take five dollars' worth.

468
00:35:06,939 --> 00:35:08,274
Yeah...

469
00:35:08,374 --> 00:35:10,977
- I want my $5 back.
- That's the whole thing...

470
00:35:11,077 --> 00:35:13,613
I loaned you five dollars
so he could get some beer.

471
00:35:13,713 --> 00:35:15,948
- Right.
- Right, so you owe me 5 bucks.

472
00:35:16,048 --> 00:35:17,383
No, you get your two beers.

473
00:35:17,483 --> 00:35:18,718
No, you owe me five dollars.

474
00:35:18,818 --> 00:35:20,529
I owe you five bucks
but if you want to get...

475
00:35:20,553 --> 00:35:22,588
And two beers!

476
00:35:22,688 --> 00:35:25,368
- Five dollars and two beers.
- It's not that hard to figure it out.

477
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:29,261
We've got this one clown,
Ed Danky, in our band

478
00:35:29,362 --> 00:35:31,964
that's sort of in the band
and sort of not in the band.

479
00:35:32,064 --> 00:35:35,568
I think Mr. Danky
has something to say.

480
00:35:35,668 --> 00:35:36,736
We're over here,

481
00:35:36,836 --> 00:35:40,673
and this is Sneaky Spermshooter
down here on the ground.

482
00:35:40,773 --> 00:35:42,675
- Time to rock.
- It's time to rock?

483
00:35:42,775 --> 00:35:44,443
We're ready to blow.

484
00:35:44,543 --> 00:35:47,747
- Ready to blow?
- Yeah, heavy rock is coming up.

485
00:35:47,847 --> 00:35:49,949
He doesn't believe
in the Four F club,

486
00:35:50,049 --> 00:35:52,451
and, you know, it doesn't work.

487
00:35:52,551 --> 00:35:54,887
How long have you known El Duce?

488
00:35:54,987 --> 00:36:01,027
Oh, I've known the scumbag
about, oh, 10 grueling years.

489
00:36:01,127 --> 00:36:04,196
In what capacity
have you worked with him?

490
00:36:04,296 --> 00:36:07,299
I do a little background vocals
for them sometimes,

491
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,870
and I jam with the guys
all the time, and you know,

492
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:14,373
I guess I'm like the Billy Preston
of The Mentors.

493
00:36:14,473 --> 00:36:18,110
I remember you at that bar
when you saw that.

494
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:20,479
I saw this, and I went apeshit.

495
00:36:20,579 --> 00:36:25,484
A lot of the songs are sex oriented.
Were they back then?

496
00:36:26,385 --> 00:36:27,620
Uh, yeah.

497
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,623
Yeah, we kind of hit upon that
as a gimmick.

498
00:36:30,723 --> 00:36:31,957
See, El Duce was...

499
00:36:32,058 --> 00:36:35,394
The one thing he was known for

500
00:36:35,494 --> 00:36:38,631
when we going to junior high was,

501
00:36:38,731 --> 00:36:41,801
he was known as the guy
who had all the pornography.

502
00:36:41,901 --> 00:36:44,804
His dad was a porno collector,

503
00:36:44,904 --> 00:36:48,441
and his dad tried to hide
this porno from El Duce.

504
00:36:48,541 --> 00:36:51,153
He had this little work room that
was all locked up in the basement,

505
00:36:51,177 --> 00:36:52,621
but El Duce knew
how to pick the lock,

506
00:36:52,645 --> 00:36:54,823
and he'd go down there while his
dad and mum were off at work,

507
00:36:54,847 --> 00:36:57,616
and he'd have his buddies come over
and he'd show them all the porn,

508
00:36:57,717 --> 00:36:59,418
and he'd give
some of the magazines away.

509
00:36:59,518 --> 00:37:02,922
So, El Duce had a real reputation
as being sort of porn-meister.

510
00:37:03,022 --> 00:37:07,126
And El Duce would do this drum solo
with these dildos he bought,

511
00:37:07,226 --> 00:37:09,495
these, you know, like,
about 14-inch dildos

512
00:37:09,595 --> 00:37:12,865
he bought down at the porno store,

513
00:37:12,965 --> 00:37:16,368
and it was just a big gimmick thing,
you know, I guess.

514
00:37:16,469 --> 00:37:18,146
I don't know
if we thought of it like that,

515
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:19,939
but that was basically how it wound up.

516
00:37:29,782 --> 00:37:31,617
♪ I got a donkey dick

517
00:37:31,717 --> 00:37:33,452
♪ It will make you sick

518
00:37:33,552 --> 00:37:35,154
♪ I got a donkey dick

519
00:37:35,254 --> 00:37:36,922
♪ It's big and thick ♪

520
00:37:37,022 --> 00:37:38,924
Not all of our stuff is pornographic.

521
00:37:39,024 --> 00:37:43,729
I mean if you listen to it carefully,
you know, the total catalogue,

522
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:45,698
now I haven't tabulated it all,

523
00:37:45,798 --> 00:37:51,103
but I'd say maybe 50% is
not wholly concerned with sex.

524
00:37:51,203 --> 00:37:53,081
First thing we do
when we wake up in the morning

525
00:37:53,105 --> 00:37:54,774
- is take a shower...
- No.

526
00:37:54,874 --> 00:37:57,576
- And put on a fresh hood.
- Jack off!

527
00:37:59,145 --> 00:38:00,746
This hood smells like Sickie, though.

528
00:38:00,846 --> 00:38:02,414
- I know.
- Disgusting.

529
00:38:02,515 --> 00:38:04,617
That's what you get
for putting on his hood.

530
00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:06,252
It's not a fresh hood.

531
00:38:06,352 --> 00:38:09,088
- Why the hoods?
- That was El Duce's idea.

532
00:38:09,188 --> 00:38:11,957
He had this idea when we put
together The Mentors,

533
00:38:12,057 --> 00:38:13,726
that they'd have
this very strong image.

534
00:38:13,826 --> 00:38:15,828
I saw it in the horror films

535
00:38:15,928 --> 00:38:18,764
and I go, "That's what we'll do,
we'll all wear execution hoods."

536
00:38:18,864 --> 00:38:22,968
You see,
I saw Kiss do their thing.

537
00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:26,505
I go, "We got to be
as outrageous as Kiss."

538
00:38:26,605 --> 00:38:30,943
El Duce told me that
he scheduled their first tour

539
00:38:31,043 --> 00:38:34,847
by calling around people
and telling them

540
00:38:34,947 --> 00:38:41,821
that he had the most incredible
Kiss cover band that there was,

541
00:38:41,921 --> 00:38:45,090
and then he took
just the Kiss album,

542
00:38:45,191 --> 00:38:48,494
like, he taped a compilation
of Kiss records

543
00:38:48,594 --> 00:38:51,797
and sent them as a demo tape
out to people,

544
00:38:51,897 --> 00:38:55,000
and then, like...
You know, that was his press kit,

545
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,336
it was this demo tape that was
just Kiss, and he's like,

546
00:38:57,436 --> 00:39:01,540
"We're one of the most incredible
Kiss simulations that has ever been."

547
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,276
- And then they show up and...
- Play El Duce!

548
00:39:04,376 --> 00:39:06,345
And they're the fucking...
they're The Mentors.

549
00:39:21,627 --> 00:39:24,196
How do you describe
Mentors music?

550
00:39:24,296 --> 00:39:29,134
- What is it to you?
- Uh, male chauvinism rock.

551
00:39:29,235 --> 00:39:33,305
♪ All women are insane

552
00:39:34,807 --> 00:39:38,477
♪ Some were born with no brain

553
00:39:40,546 --> 00:39:44,283
♪ Bitch and cuss on the rag

554
00:39:46,185 --> 00:39:49,588
♪ They are one hell of a drag

555
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:55,127
♪ If everything don't go their way

556
00:39:57,363 --> 00:40:01,133
♪ They must fuck and suck me
for their pay

557
00:40:02,935 --> 00:40:06,805
♪ Males are superior

558
00:40:08,607 --> 00:40:13,312
♪ Females are inferior ♪

559
00:40:13,412 --> 00:40:16,181
Do you think Mentors music
is a joke?

560
00:40:16,282 --> 00:40:19,251
No, it's a form of life.

561
00:40:19,351 --> 00:40:23,522
I just speak about what's
on my mind and what I believe.

562
00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:26,558
So when did the ideology
emerge in him?

563
00:40:27,826 --> 00:40:29,929
Uh, the whole...

564
00:40:30,029 --> 00:40:32,932
become fully flowered you mean?

565
00:40:33,032 --> 00:40:35,134
It was probably after
The Mentors had been together

566
00:40:35,234 --> 00:40:39,138
for about two or three years,
when it really...

567
00:40:39,238 --> 00:40:41,540
you know, became very monolithic
like that.

568
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,443
It was just sort of a slow evolution.

569
00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:47,212
- What about "Golden Showers"?
- Oh, yeah.

570
00:40:47,313 --> 00:40:50,816
See, I caught this one girl
cheating on me.

571
00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:53,052
She goes, "He was so cute,
can you blame me?"

572
00:40:53,152 --> 00:40:56,255
and I go, "Yeah, I can. I'm going
to have to give you the treatment."

573
00:40:56,355 --> 00:40:59,491
She goes, "Whatever you want,
I love you...

574
00:40:59,591 --> 00:41:01,660
"Oh, I love you."

575
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,663
I said, "All right, prove your love."

576
00:41:32,391 --> 00:41:34,393
Now Mr. Chairman,
one point we've already made,

577
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:37,329
the material which has caused
the concern is new and different.

578
00:41:37,429 --> 00:41:41,400
It's not just a continuation
of controversies of past generations.

579
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:46,171
To illustrate this point, we would like
to show a slide presentation.

580
00:41:46,271 --> 00:41:48,083
The purpose of this presentation
is to acquaint you

581
00:41:48,107 --> 00:41:50,309
with the type of material
that is in question.

582
00:41:50,409 --> 00:41:52,945
I will be covering the themes
of violence and sexuality.

583
00:41:53,045 --> 00:41:55,581
Bear in mind that what
you are about to see and hear

584
00:41:55,681 --> 00:41:59,218
is a small sample of the abundant
material available today.

585
00:41:59,318 --> 00:42:02,421
Ozzy Osborne, on his first
solo album shown here,

586
00:42:02,521 --> 00:42:04,490
sings a song called "Suicide Solution".

587
00:42:04,590 --> 00:42:06,625
Ozzy insists that he in no way

588
00:42:06,725 --> 00:42:09,294
encourages suicidal behavior
in young people,

589
00:42:09,395 --> 00:42:12,297
and yet he appears
in photographs such as these.

590
00:42:14,967 --> 00:42:17,312
For those of you who can't make
that out because of the lights,

591
00:42:17,336 --> 00:42:20,606
it's a picture of Ozzy with a gun
barrel stuck into his mouth.

592
00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:46,498
My apologies.

593
00:42:46,598 --> 00:42:48,967
How bad can it get?
The list is endless.

594
00:42:49,068 --> 00:42:54,273
This album was released just recently
by a band called The Mentors.

595
00:42:54,373 --> 00:42:57,543
It was released on the label
Enigma Records,

596
00:42:57,643 --> 00:43:01,080
which also launched
Mötley Crüe's career.

597
00:43:01,180 --> 00:43:02,614
The album includes songs like

598
00:43:02,714 --> 00:43:05,751
"Four F Club: Find Her, Feel Her,
Fuck Her And Forget Her",

599
00:43:05,851 --> 00:43:09,588
"Free Fix For A Fuck",
"Clap Queen", "My Erection is Over",

600
00:43:09,688 --> 00:43:12,591
and the song "Golden Showers"
which says these words,

601
00:43:12,691 --> 00:43:15,160
"Listen you little slut,
do as you're told,

602
00:43:15,260 --> 00:43:17,463
"come with Daddy
for me to pour the gold.

603
00:43:17,563 --> 00:43:20,866
"Golden showers, all through
my excrements you shall roam,

604
00:43:20,966 --> 00:43:23,102
"bend up and smell my anal vapor,

605
00:43:23,202 --> 00:43:25,137
"your face is my toilet paper,

606
00:43:25,237 --> 00:43:27,606
"on your face I leave a shit tower,

607
00:43:27,706 --> 00:43:29,475
"golden showers."

608
00:43:29,575 --> 00:43:31,615
Mr. Chairman that concludes
my remarks, I thank you.

609
00:43:31,677 --> 00:43:34,246
I'm sorry
your time has expired.

610
00:43:36,348 --> 00:43:38,584
Thanks to the PMRC,

611
00:43:38,684 --> 00:43:41,520
we tripled our sales,

612
00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:44,022
we're like a nothing band
for a while,

613
00:43:44,123 --> 00:43:47,459
then the PMRC came up there
and bitched about us,

614
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,328
next thing you know
our records skyrocketed.

615
00:43:49,428 --> 00:43:51,697
It's all just bullshit.

616
00:43:51,797 --> 00:43:55,334
I mean, he's successful
because he gets a reaction.

617
00:43:55,434 --> 00:43:57,870
It's like there's a need
for that in society,

618
00:43:57,970 --> 00:44:00,572
otherwise it's just boring and dull.

619
00:44:00,672 --> 00:44:03,242
I mean, people...
you know, they get all upset

620
00:44:03,342 --> 00:44:04,443
and they go to the Senate,

621
00:44:04,543 --> 00:44:06,612
and they do all this protesting
and all that stuff

622
00:44:06,712 --> 00:44:08,480
that just hypes his trip.

623
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:10,048
The records start selling more,

624
00:44:10,149 --> 00:44:11,589
and I mean,
mean they're doing the...

625
00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:13,452
They're giving him
just what he wants.

626
00:44:13,552 --> 00:44:15,554
And I got to give him a lot of credit.

627
00:44:15,654 --> 00:44:17,156
Man, he gets away with it.

628
00:44:17,256 --> 00:44:20,425
He's exactly...
he's a total success in himself.

629
00:44:32,137 --> 00:44:33,138
El Duce!

630
00:44:45,751 --> 00:44:49,121
What kind of clubs were you playing
before the PMRC?

631
00:44:52,057 --> 00:44:54,092
Holes in the wall, dives,

632
00:44:54,193 --> 00:44:56,261
somebody's backyard,

633
00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:58,463
but when the PMRC...

634
00:45:00,933 --> 00:45:02,334
When they snapped into action,

635
00:45:02,434 --> 00:45:05,370
man, we started playing
big halls, auditoriums.

636
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:09,208
♪ Bend up
and smell my anal vapor

637
00:45:09,308 --> 00:45:12,778
♪ Your face is my toilet paper

638
00:45:13,812 --> 00:45:16,415
♪ Golden shower... ♪

639
00:45:18,383 --> 00:45:20,061
What kind of bands
did you play with?

640
00:45:20,085 --> 00:45:21,486
Well, we started off playing

641
00:45:21,587 --> 00:45:24,790
with just everybody's local
brother's band, you know.

642
00:45:24,890 --> 00:45:28,060
And then once the PMRC
kicked into action,

643
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,195
we started playing with big groups,

644
00:45:30,295 --> 00:45:35,567
like Metal Church, Montrose,
Ronnie Montrose, Plasmatics.

645
00:45:35,667 --> 00:45:38,437
Probably the biggest bands
we played with is, like, Fear

646
00:45:38,537 --> 00:45:40,606
and Killing Joke, Black Flag.

647
00:45:40,706 --> 00:45:44,977
What's the best road experience
you ever had with The Mentors?

648
00:45:45,077 --> 00:45:47,412
Probably with Saint Vitus.

649
00:45:49,147 --> 00:45:53,185
I got laid about seven times
on that tour.

650
00:46:14,906 --> 00:46:18,010
If you just look at LA,
you know, the past few years,

651
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:20,445
there's a huge explosion
of metal bands

652
00:46:20,545 --> 00:46:22,614
that are coming out
and being very popular,

653
00:46:22,714 --> 00:46:26,218
Poison and you know,
whoever else, Warrant.

654
00:46:26,318 --> 00:46:30,289
But I think these guys
are extremely calculated.

655
00:46:30,389 --> 00:46:33,358
First of all, they're part of a very big
money-making machine.

656
00:46:33,458 --> 00:46:35,694
Any time you're in that...
your league,

657
00:46:35,794 --> 00:46:37,596
you're talking: a big conglomerate

658
00:46:37,696 --> 00:46:39,898
putting a lot of money into you,

659
00:46:39,998 --> 00:46:43,335
expecting you to behave professionally
as far as not blowing shows,

660
00:46:43,435 --> 00:46:45,437
you know, showing up on time,

661
00:46:45,537 --> 00:46:48,006
producing a record on time,
things of that nature.

662
00:46:48,106 --> 00:46:51,843
This band, you know,
Mentors is not set up for that at all.

663
00:46:51,943 --> 00:46:56,481
I'm not sure if people
will listen to us in 100 years.

664
00:46:58,183 --> 00:46:59,584
I think they might...

665
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:03,689
as opposed to a band
that's somewhat disposable,

666
00:47:03,789 --> 00:47:06,158
enjoyable music, quality music,

667
00:47:06,258 --> 00:47:10,262
but yet easily replaced.

668
00:47:10,362 --> 00:47:12,831
So you see Mentor's music as what?

669
00:47:12,931 --> 00:47:15,067
As art, I would consider it art

670
00:47:15,167 --> 00:47:20,706
to the extent where most music
that's sold is less art,

671
00:47:20,806 --> 00:47:23,008
and more just product,
it's a commercial product.

672
00:47:23,108 --> 00:47:25,277
What constitutes art to you?

673
00:47:26,978 --> 00:47:30,949
I think art has got...

674
00:47:31,049 --> 00:47:34,319
True art is something
that is independent of time.

675
00:47:36,688 --> 00:47:37,989
Uh...

676
00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:42,361
I would say it deals
with lasting human themes

677
00:47:42,461 --> 00:47:47,532
that are, again, time-independent
to an extent.

678
00:47:47,632 --> 00:47:49,868
They sign a lot
of these glam rock bands,

679
00:47:49,968 --> 00:47:51,503
tens of thousands of these bands

680
00:47:51,603 --> 00:47:55,040
that all look the same,
all sound the same,

681
00:47:55,140 --> 00:47:57,209
you can't tell one band
from the other.

682
00:47:57,309 --> 00:48:01,246
But you could always tell The Mentors,
cos we stand out.

683
00:48:01,346 --> 00:48:04,516
We're tired of sissy groups
like Mötley Crüe

684
00:48:04,616 --> 00:48:06,818
and all this sissy stuff.

685
00:48:06,918 --> 00:48:07,986
We want rape rock.

686
00:48:08,086 --> 00:48:10,722
Sneaky, what do you think
of The Beatles?

687
00:48:10,822 --> 00:48:13,358
- Who?
- The Beatles.

688
00:48:13,458 --> 00:48:14,459
They don't rock.

689
00:48:20,899 --> 00:48:22,667
♪ You

690
00:48:22,768 --> 00:48:23,969
♪ Are

691
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:25,837
♪ My

692
00:48:25,937 --> 00:48:27,472
♪ Sex slave ♪

693
00:48:27,572 --> 00:48:31,042
They could say,
"Bon Jovi's really on an up move,"

694
00:48:31,143 --> 00:48:34,780
you know whatever,
I don't care if he goes up or down.

695
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,617
I've got my lyrics,
and if they don't like it,

696
00:48:38,717 --> 00:48:41,286
they can eat shit out of my ass.

697
00:48:41,386 --> 00:48:43,855
I want to ask you something.

698
00:48:43,955 --> 00:48:46,491
What does your mother
think about you? Huh?

699
00:48:48,059 --> 00:48:50,562
Was El Duce...

700
00:48:50,662 --> 00:48:54,099
Early on was he
a sort of a teddy bear of a guy

701
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,836
or was he mean, was he good?
I mean, he was obviously your friend.

702
00:48:57,936 --> 00:48:59,137
Yeah.

703
00:48:59,237 --> 00:49:00,705
Um...

704
00:49:00,806 --> 00:49:03,442
I wouldn't call him Mr. Nice Guy.

705
00:49:03,542 --> 00:49:06,178
He had a lot of weird aspects
to his personality.

706
00:49:06,278 --> 00:49:07,712
He was...

707
00:49:08,713 --> 00:49:11,583
See, he was from
a family of four, OK?

708
00:49:11,683 --> 00:49:17,222
As far as other kids.
He had two sisters and one brother.

709
00:49:17,322 --> 00:49:21,326
Now, one brother and one sister
were older than he was,

710
00:49:21,426 --> 00:49:23,228
and they were
very good students,

711
00:49:23,328 --> 00:49:26,164
and his father is... or was

712
00:49:26,264 --> 00:49:30,936
a highly paid, high-up in
the bureaucracy, engineer at Boeing.

713
00:49:31,036 --> 00:49:32,904
He was an aeronautical engineer.

714
00:49:33,004 --> 00:49:35,273
And so there was a certain
amount of expectation

715
00:49:35,373 --> 00:49:39,444
put on El Duce to follow
in the good student footsteps

716
00:49:39,544 --> 00:49:40,879
of these two elder siblings.

717
00:49:40,979 --> 00:49:45,050
But he just wasn't cut out
for that kind of thing and he...

718
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:48,620
You know, I think a couple of times
he almost got put back a grade,

719
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:53,158
and that kind of scarred
his personality to a certain extent.

720
00:49:53,258 --> 00:49:54,593
Was, um...

721
00:49:54,693 --> 00:49:57,596
As a kid or a teenager
was El Duce lazy?

722
00:49:57,696 --> 00:49:58,997
Extremely.

723
00:49:59,998 --> 00:50:01,833
Extremely lazy.

724
00:50:03,068 --> 00:50:04,769
Did he... Was he...

725
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:06,938
Always since birth.

726
00:50:07,038 --> 00:50:09,841
- Dramatically different than...
- Since birth he was...

727
00:50:09,941 --> 00:50:12,611
And he's one of those people
that works harder at not working.

728
00:50:12,711 --> 00:50:14,513
Like if he would...
You know what I'm saying?

729
00:50:14,613 --> 00:50:17,115
All these lengths to avoid
doing the simple task,

730
00:50:17,215 --> 00:50:18,917
if he would have done
the simple task,

731
00:50:19,017 --> 00:50:20,895
he wouldn't have to go
to all this other bullshit,

732
00:50:20,919 --> 00:50:22,420
you know what I mean?

733
00:50:22,521 --> 00:50:23,588
Does that make sense?

734
00:50:23,688 --> 00:50:26,925
Now, I don't give a damn
about books...

735
00:50:28,293 --> 00:50:31,329
because I don't care what year
George Washington flipped a coin

736
00:50:31,429 --> 00:50:34,299
across the Delaware River
or whatever,

737
00:50:34,399 --> 00:50:38,270
I'll find that out later,
when I'm damn well ready.

738
00:50:38,370 --> 00:50:40,505
So how did he become
such a good drummer?

739
00:50:40,605 --> 00:50:44,175
It was the one thing that
he clung on too that he couldn't...

740
00:50:44,276 --> 00:50:46,676
I think also he could take out
a lot of anger on those drums.

741
00:50:47,546 --> 00:50:49,014
A lot of anger towards my father.

742
00:50:49,114 --> 00:50:50,815
You know what?

743
00:50:50,916 --> 00:50:55,220
That's me as little bastard
right there.

744
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,324
I'm going like,
"Who's going to fuck up my life,

745
00:50:59,424 --> 00:51:02,093
"then make me the weirdo
that I is right now?"

746
00:51:02,193 --> 00:51:05,630
And I tells myself, "I ain't fucked up,
I ain't weird, I ain't nothing."

747
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:07,732
What's your family like?

748
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,635
Square.

749
00:51:10,735 --> 00:51:13,204
My dad designed bombs.

750
00:51:17,008 --> 00:51:19,611
He designed part of the Apollo 11...

751
00:51:21,713 --> 00:51:23,381
that landed on the moon.

752
00:51:24,816 --> 00:51:26,585
What about your mother?

753
00:51:26,685 --> 00:51:29,521
She was a secretary.

754
00:51:29,621 --> 00:51:31,590
What was your childhood like,
growing up?

755
00:51:31,690 --> 00:51:34,292
Oh, my dad beat me all the time.

756
00:51:34,392 --> 00:51:36,227
He got a thrill out of it, boy.

757
00:51:36,328 --> 00:51:38,763
His eyes would light up
when he cracked that whip.

758
00:51:38,863 --> 00:51:40,665
Bam!

759
00:51:41,466 --> 00:51:43,835
And I'd go like, "Yow!"

760
00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:47,539
The more I yelled,
the more he got a turn-on.

761
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:49,140
And your mother?

762
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:51,676
Well, she just closed her ears
and closed her eyes and said,

763
00:51:51,776 --> 00:51:54,446
"It's not real, it's not real."

764
00:51:54,546 --> 00:51:56,247
I said, "It is real."

765
00:51:57,716 --> 00:52:00,485
And I started the ball rolling
with my dad,

766
00:52:00,585 --> 00:52:04,556
because of my grade card.

767
00:52:06,024 --> 00:52:12,097
I got nothing but flunks and bad grades
when I was a kid.

768
00:52:13,598 --> 00:52:16,568
He goes, "Why aren't you as smart
as your brother and sister?"

769
00:52:16,668 --> 00:52:21,239
And I said, "Well, because I'm smarter.
I do not submit."

770
00:52:22,641 --> 00:52:24,441
I mean, that's what
I was thinking in my head.

771
00:52:24,509 --> 00:52:27,512
I didn't tell my dad that,
but that's what I was thinking.

772
00:52:27,612 --> 00:52:30,281
I do not submit to people
that order me around.

773
00:52:30,382 --> 00:52:32,283
He says his dad...

774
00:52:32,384 --> 00:52:34,352
he says your dad beat him
when he was a kid.

775
00:52:34,452 --> 00:52:36,187
Were you aware of that?

776
00:52:36,287 --> 00:52:38,923
He spanked him really hard
with a paddle, yeah.

777
00:52:39,024 --> 00:52:43,294
He did that to me, too.
We feared our father like Hitler.

778
00:52:43,395 --> 00:52:44,896
We didn't respect him.

779
00:52:44,996 --> 00:52:47,666
It wasn't healthy respect,
it was downright fear.

780
00:52:47,766 --> 00:52:51,636
I mean, this is what my dad
used to do there.

781
00:52:51,736 --> 00:52:56,508
He drilled holes like that big around
in his paddle...

782
00:52:58,009 --> 00:53:00,412
to get a good swing on it.

783
00:53:00,512 --> 00:53:02,580
Bam! And crack my ass.

784
00:53:02,681 --> 00:53:07,318
He'd beat me an average
of about twice a week

785
00:53:07,419 --> 00:53:11,322
for not doing this,
not mowing the lawn right,

786
00:53:11,423 --> 00:53:13,892
this or that,
I'm a retarded person, you know,

787
00:53:13,992 --> 00:53:17,095
any excuse he could find to beat me,
he would beat me.

788
00:53:17,195 --> 00:53:19,497
Do you think your dad feels
responsible in some way?

789
00:53:19,597 --> 00:53:21,299
No.

790
00:53:21,399 --> 00:53:26,705
I think he absolved himself
of all of it.

791
00:53:26,805 --> 00:53:29,708
Because, you know,
my dad's a sicko.

792
00:53:29,808 --> 00:53:35,680
He designed bombs
for the Vietnam War

793
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:38,450
that tortured and killed people.

794
00:53:38,550 --> 00:53:42,454
He helped design what they called
a Bouncing Napalm Bomb,

795
00:53:42,554 --> 00:53:45,523
which is a spinning bomb.

796
00:53:45,623 --> 00:53:47,358
They shoot it out of a B-52,

797
00:53:47,459 --> 00:53:50,762
and it goes down
right through the tree line,

798
00:53:50,862 --> 00:53:54,733
and it spins and drops off
canisters of napalm.

799
00:53:54,833 --> 00:53:57,435
So for a five-mile stretch,

800
00:53:57,535 --> 00:53:59,938
it blows like in "Apocalypse Now".

801
00:54:00,038 --> 00:54:03,141
My dad designed that motherfucker.

802
00:54:03,241 --> 00:54:05,410
El's just like, you know...

803
00:54:06,611 --> 00:54:09,447
He's everything that is my dad's
worst nightmare,

804
00:54:09,547 --> 00:54:12,083
and that's kind of great, too.

805
00:54:12,183 --> 00:54:15,520
My dad needs that karma.

806
00:54:15,620 --> 00:54:17,288
He does.

807
00:54:22,527 --> 00:54:27,132
My dad is demented, sick,
warped and retarded.

808
00:54:27,232 --> 00:54:28,933
I'm normal.

809
00:54:30,869 --> 00:54:32,704
So, you do love your family?

810
00:54:32,804 --> 00:54:34,706
Yeah, I love my family.

811
00:54:34,806 --> 00:54:36,374
Who doesn't?

812
00:54:36,474 --> 00:54:38,276
Do you go home at Christmas?

813
00:54:38,376 --> 00:54:42,413
Nope, not this year, because my dad
told me to get lost and never come back,

814
00:54:42,514 --> 00:54:46,417
and I said, "You got your wish.

815
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:50,388
"I'm going to dance on your grave
when you get cancer!"

816
00:54:50,488 --> 00:54:51,823
Bleurgh!

817
00:55:18,917 --> 00:55:21,486
Alright, come on.
Since you're helping me move it.

818
00:55:21,586 --> 00:55:23,888
Yeah, one more thing to get up.

819
00:55:23,988 --> 00:55:26,391
Wait till you see my drum set!

820
00:55:36,968 --> 00:55:38,703
Hey, I didn't see you on...

821
00:55:38,803 --> 00:55:40,505
I missed you
on "General High School".

822
00:55:40,605 --> 00:55:42,640
Oh, I'm going to be on
on August 7th.

823
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:46,311
- August 7th.
- Yeah, one more show.

824
00:55:46,411 --> 00:55:48,213
What are you bringing
to set the pace?

825
00:55:48,313 --> 00:55:53,418
A Walkman with about 200 cassettes
and an amplifier

826
00:55:53,518 --> 00:55:57,055
and a couple of pairs of socks
and underwear, and that's it.

827
00:55:57,155 --> 00:56:00,158
Hey, look at that,
there's plenty of room in here.

828
00:56:03,461 --> 00:56:05,630
You can fit how many people
in here with the equipment?

829
00:56:05,730 --> 00:56:08,399
We're going to take six people,
and the amps back there,

830
00:56:08,499 --> 00:56:10,068
and the drums
on top of the amps,

831
00:56:10,168 --> 00:56:11,568
so it looks like pretty good shape.

832
00:56:11,603 --> 00:56:14,339
I think we've got enough room
for everybody.

833
00:56:14,439 --> 00:56:16,307
What's the farthest East you go?

834
00:56:16,407 --> 00:56:18,209
New York City.

835
00:56:19,544 --> 00:56:21,104
Where are you going to play
in New York?

836
00:56:21,145 --> 00:56:23,081
- The Ritz.
- Really?

837
00:56:26,851 --> 00:56:28,086
Yeah.

838
00:56:36,728 --> 00:56:37,896
No.

839
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:43,635
No, I think this one's under control.

840
00:56:44,836 --> 00:56:47,805
- Are those tools?
- I got a phone number for tools.

841
00:56:47,906 --> 00:56:50,909
- Here's your hood, Sneaky.
- Yeesh!

842
00:56:51,009 --> 00:56:53,878
I got a phone number
for a guy that's really good.

843
00:56:53,978 --> 00:56:55,380
Don't leave home without it.

844
00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:03,788
So everything else you have

845
00:57:03,888 --> 00:57:06,491
you're just going to leave here
when you leave the road huh?

846
00:57:06,591 --> 00:57:08,826
Yeah, more or less.

847
00:57:10,128 --> 00:57:12,430
Can we get... You think...

848
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:15,033
you think Sneaky Spermshooter
will throw it all away

849
00:57:15,133 --> 00:57:16,834
when he realizes
you left without him?

850
00:57:16,935 --> 00:57:18,636
Oh, yeah, he's going
to be damn pissed.

851
00:57:18,736 --> 00:57:22,040
So you just sneak in and tell him
you are just taking the stuff for a minute,

852
00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:25,510
- and you see him tomorrow, huh?
- Yeah.

853
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:27,178
But you guys are gonna be
in St. Louis

854
00:57:27,278 --> 00:57:29,247
- and he's gonna be here, huh?
- Right.

855
00:57:45,163 --> 00:57:49,167
I'm sitting there looking at him, sitting
out in the electric car waiting on...

856
00:57:59,677 --> 00:58:01,813
So, uh...

857
00:58:03,381 --> 00:58:05,450
we were going to kick him
out of the band anyway

858
00:58:05,550 --> 00:58:12,490
right before the tour, this last tour
we did with the Revolting Cocks,

859
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:15,393
but we didn't know
how we were going to tell him.

860
00:58:15,493 --> 00:58:16,527
And then, uh...

861
00:58:18,596 --> 00:58:22,200
luckily he was so gone
towards the end,

862
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,103
that he just up and died,
killed himself,

863
00:58:25,203 --> 00:58:29,307
shooting up dope,
speedballs, and...

864
00:58:31,009 --> 00:58:34,045
so that was a big load
off our shoulders.

865
00:58:34,712 --> 00:58:36,748
I liked that guy, Ed.

866
00:58:36,848 --> 00:58:38,726
Well, I didn't really like Ed.
He was kind of a...

867
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:40,118
Sneaky Spermshooter, you know?

868
00:58:40,218 --> 00:58:42,353
- Yeah, he's dead.
- He's not dead, is he?

869
00:58:42,453 --> 00:58:44,155
- Swear to God, he's dead.
- No way.

870
00:58:44,255 --> 00:58:45,323
He's dead.

871
00:58:45,423 --> 00:58:46,758
- You swear?
- I swear to God.

872
00:58:46,858 --> 00:58:48,926
- Who told you that, Ed?
- I know he's dead.

873
00:58:49,027 --> 00:58:51,305
- How do you know he's dead?
- Ed didn't tell me he's dead, no.

874
00:58:51,329 --> 00:58:54,399
Did you feel, I know you
kind of skirted around, so...

875
00:58:54,499 --> 00:58:57,235
Well, see, I was bummed out
because I lost my pad.

876
00:58:57,335 --> 00:59:01,706
And I lost a lot of clothes,
my color TV,

877
00:59:01,806 --> 00:59:05,309
my espresso coffee maker,

878
00:59:05,410 --> 00:59:07,845
my popcorn,
hot air popcorn popper.

879
00:59:07,945 --> 00:59:10,214
I don't wish that on anybody,

880
00:59:10,314 --> 00:59:13,851
but, you know,
he was a little bit of a...

881
00:59:18,056 --> 00:59:20,792
I mean, if he's dead,
he was an alright guy.

882
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:34,265
The way the band's set up,

883
01:00:34,365 --> 01:00:38,736
there's so much infighting going on,
so much personal stuff,

884
01:00:38,836 --> 01:00:42,373
that I don't think the band
has got what it takes

885
01:00:42,473 --> 01:00:45,443
to totally go to the top.

886
01:00:45,543 --> 01:00:47,545
I just don't see that happening.

887
01:00:48,646 --> 01:00:51,449
And so what drives you then

888
01:00:51,549 --> 01:00:53,985
is just your enjoyment
of playing music,

889
01:00:54,085 --> 01:00:56,354
you know, just doing it,

890
01:00:56,454 --> 01:01:00,458
and you have to enjoy doing it
just for the sake of doing it.

891
01:01:10,635 --> 01:01:13,738
♪ Heterosexuals
have the right to rock

892
01:01:17,141 --> 01:01:19,911
♪ Heterosexuals
have the right to rock... ♪

893
01:01:54,779 --> 01:01:59,083
He comes down pretty hard
and is pretty anti-homosexual

894
01:01:59,183 --> 01:02:02,153
and... very terrible things.

895
01:02:02,253 --> 01:02:04,155
Well, you got to understand,

896
01:02:04,255 --> 01:02:07,358
the appeal of The Mentors
in a lot of ways is very juvenile,

897
01:02:07,458 --> 01:02:10,695
and it's sort of a male bonding thing,

898
01:02:10,795 --> 01:02:18,436
a thing that 16-year-olds
can get together and listen to

899
01:02:18,536 --> 01:02:20,905
and set themselves apart
from all their friends

900
01:02:21,005 --> 01:02:24,942
by being into this band,
The Mentors, and...

901
01:02:25,042 --> 01:02:29,013
As you know, 16-year-old males
in general are very homophobic,

902
01:02:29,113 --> 01:02:32,083
and I think that's where
it comes from, you know.

903
01:02:32,183 --> 01:02:36,821
He's not the kind of guy to go out
and "fag bash" or anything like that,

904
01:02:36,921 --> 01:02:40,024
it's just part and parcel
of the whole Mentors package

905
01:02:40,124 --> 01:02:41,926
that these things
come into the music.

906
01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:46,330
Jeremy?

907
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:47,331
Yeah.

908
01:02:47,431 --> 01:02:49,900
- Do you like that guitar sound?
- Yeah.

909
01:02:50,001 --> 01:02:51,102
AJ.

910
01:02:51,202 --> 01:02:52,970
Go get fucked up!

911
01:02:54,939 --> 01:02:56,073
AJ.

912
01:02:56,173 --> 01:02:57,908
I like the devil hearts.

913
01:02:58,009 --> 01:02:59,310
Thanks, man.

914
01:03:01,579 --> 01:03:03,314
What's up, man?

915
01:03:03,414 --> 01:03:04,749
Alright, kid?

916
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:06,651
Get that hood on right.

917
01:03:12,556 --> 01:03:13,557
It's not...

918
01:03:17,094 --> 01:03:18,763
You're nobody to look up to.

919
01:03:18,863 --> 01:03:20,631
I'll tell you right now
where you're going.

920
01:03:28,906 --> 01:03:31,142
Your next gig
was going to be where?

921
01:03:31,242 --> 01:03:33,744
This White Power movement thing.

922
01:03:35,046 --> 01:03:37,181
See, there's a lot of these fanatics

923
01:03:37,281 --> 01:03:39,784
down at Huntington Beach
that want to...

924
01:03:41,018 --> 01:03:44,955
They want The Mentors to play there.

925
01:03:45,056 --> 01:03:47,792
But I don't know, I got a lot
of black friends, too, you know.

926
01:03:47,892 --> 01:03:49,927
I... I got...

927
01:03:50,027 --> 01:03:52,897
Living in LA, you got
all kinds of friends, you know.

928
01:03:52,997 --> 01:03:56,734
I got Chinese friends
and Mexican friends...

929
01:03:56,834 --> 01:03:59,603
You know, it wouldn't look right
for me to go down there

930
01:03:59,704 --> 01:04:03,708
and play for a bunch of...
a limited amount of people

931
01:04:03,808 --> 01:04:06,610
that don't think too deeply.

932
01:04:06,711 --> 01:04:08,946
Why do you, uh...

933
01:04:09,046 --> 01:04:11,349
I mean I believe that whites
have rights, you know,

934
01:04:11,449 --> 01:04:13,417
and if there's a black movement,

935
01:04:13,517 --> 01:04:16,354
there should be a white movement.

936
01:04:16,454 --> 01:04:18,155
I'm proud of being a white.

937
01:04:19,357 --> 01:04:23,127
When I become sheriff of this county,

938
01:04:23,227 --> 01:04:25,629
I'll be like Buford Pusser.

939
01:04:26,997 --> 01:04:29,133
I'm going to be the strongest.

940
01:04:34,171 --> 01:04:38,175
I'm a Klansman,
I'm a redneck, hallelujah!

941
01:04:38,976 --> 01:04:40,778
And I'm going to get them,

942
01:04:40,878 --> 01:04:42,146
and you know what?

943
01:04:43,114 --> 01:04:45,449
When I become sheriff
of this county...

944
01:04:46,684 --> 01:04:48,586
I'm going to carry a bat so big

945
01:04:48,686 --> 01:04:52,490
it's going to have spikes
sticking of the sides.

946
01:04:52,590 --> 01:04:56,560
And then when they see me coming
with my Nazi German helmet,

947
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:59,764
the crack dealers are going
to spread like ants.

948
01:05:00,731 --> 01:05:02,933
But to tell you the truth...

949
01:06:00,925 --> 01:06:02,626
I'm American all the way.

950
01:06:05,196 --> 01:06:06,964
All liberals must die.

951
01:06:07,064 --> 01:06:08,566
Why?

952
01:06:08,666 --> 01:06:13,337
They stand up for gangs
and wars and literacy and...

953
01:06:14,939 --> 01:06:17,141
How the hell do they expect to...

954
01:06:20,444 --> 01:06:21,946
That calls for a drink.

955
01:06:24,748 --> 01:06:26,984
I like him because he's a Nazi.

956
01:06:30,187 --> 01:06:33,524
So you agree with both the liberals
and the conservatives?

957
01:06:42,466 --> 01:06:43,534
What do you think of that?

958
01:06:43,634 --> 01:06:47,271
I think it's a pile of crap,
we're already overpopulated.

959
01:06:49,707 --> 01:06:51,308
What are they going to feed them?

960
01:06:51,408 --> 01:06:54,445
Alfalfa leaves and welfare stamps?

961
01:06:56,814 --> 01:06:57,948
What's that?

962
01:07:05,222 --> 01:07:06,724
They don't want to pay us,

963
01:07:06,824 --> 01:07:09,226
but if they want us that bad,

964
01:07:09,326 --> 01:07:11,996
they'll have to pay us 150 bucks
and a keg of beer.

965
01:07:12,096 --> 01:07:16,500
As far as El Duce's sort of philosophy

966
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,537
on Nazism and homosexuals...

967
01:07:19,637 --> 01:07:21,171
Oh, he picked that up from a friend.

968
01:07:21,272 --> 01:07:24,275
I think he picked that up
from a friend of his a while back.

969
01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:26,277
That's just something
he's latched on to

970
01:07:26,377 --> 01:07:27,845
just to be offensive.

971
01:07:27,945 --> 01:07:29,580
It's not to be taken seriously?

972
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,617
No, one of his best friends
is as black as your pants.

973
01:07:34,618 --> 01:07:36,520
Are you racist at all?

974
01:07:36,620 --> 01:07:37,755
No.

975
01:07:38,689 --> 01:07:40,758
I got a lot of black friends.

976
01:07:40,858 --> 01:07:43,594
Do you think he really
idolizes Hitler?

977
01:07:43,694 --> 01:07:46,697
Not in a serious sense,
I don't think so.

978
01:07:46,797 --> 01:07:48,397
Just in terms
of the entertainment of it?

979
01:07:48,465 --> 01:07:49,667
Yeah, I think he...

980
01:07:49,767 --> 01:07:51,869
In terms of the entertainment, yes.

981
01:07:53,137 --> 01:07:54,705
But no, he doesn't idolize Hitler,

982
01:07:54,805 --> 01:07:57,174
certainly, you know,
doesn't read books about Hitler,

983
01:07:57,274 --> 01:08:00,077
nor have pictures of Hitler
up on his wall or anything.

984
01:08:01,779 --> 01:08:03,447
Your dad beat you,

985
01:08:03,547 --> 01:08:05,583
and you resented that
and you hated that,

986
01:08:05,683 --> 01:08:08,319
and yet people
like Hitler and Idi Amin

987
01:08:08,419 --> 01:08:10,688
brutalize and torture people,
and you like that.

988
01:08:10,788 --> 01:08:12,957
- Yeah, I do.
- How do you justify that?

989
01:08:13,057 --> 01:08:14,325
Because it's entertainment,

990
01:08:14,425 --> 01:08:18,329
and I've finally grown up
to realize what a fun party is.

991
01:08:18,429 --> 01:08:20,740
Did you think it was entertainment
when your dad was beating you?

992
01:08:20,764 --> 01:08:22,600
Oh, yeah, he got a kick out of it.

993
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:25,769
- You didn't, though?
- Hell no, I was a victim of it.

994
01:08:25,869 --> 01:08:29,173
If you know what it's like to be the
victim, how come you like the idea of it?

995
01:08:29,273 --> 01:08:32,142
Because you grow up, and now
I'm going to do it to somebody else,

996
01:08:32,242 --> 01:08:35,045
cos my dad did it to me.

997
01:08:35,145 --> 01:08:37,025
Is that fair to the person
you do it to, though?

998
01:08:37,081 --> 01:08:40,317
Hell no, he's going to learn
how to do it to the next victim.

999
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,989
It's a chain reaction, brother.

1000
01:09:00,704 --> 01:09:07,678
Mom, if it were only you
and El Duce in the room together,

1001
01:09:07,778 --> 01:09:11,315
what do you want to just say to him?

1002
01:09:11,415 --> 01:09:13,283
You know what you're doing to kids?

1003
01:09:13,384 --> 01:09:16,320
Do you realize that
you're making boys think

1004
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:18,288
that they can go out
and do this to girls,

1005
01:09:18,389 --> 01:09:21,992
and take their innocence away
when they don't want it taken away?

1006
01:09:22,092 --> 01:09:24,137
Well, girls shouldn't go
out there advertising for it.

1007
01:09:24,161 --> 01:09:28,065
No, I'm sorry, I wasn't advertising for it,
I was only 12 years old!

1008
01:09:39,243 --> 01:09:42,146
This dive is where
The Mentors started from.

1009
01:09:44,615 --> 01:09:47,251
They threw me out of here

1010
01:09:47,351 --> 01:09:51,321
because Stoney T said
I set fire to the dumpster.

1011
01:09:52,923 --> 01:09:56,527
Let me tell you I'm going to buy
this club and fire everybody.

1012
01:09:57,995 --> 01:10:00,364
But these guys are my friends.

1013
01:10:00,464 --> 01:10:02,366
That's right, brother.

1014
01:10:02,466 --> 01:10:04,968
- Eldon!
- Yeah, what's up there, buddy?

1015
01:10:26,557 --> 01:10:28,592
How are you doin'?

1016
01:10:28,692 --> 01:10:31,061
This is El Duce.
I named my dog after him.

1017
01:10:31,161 --> 01:10:32,529
"I named my dog after him!"

1018
01:10:32,629 --> 01:10:33,997
- What?
- I named my dog after him.

1019
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,569
I'm your fucking wife, asshole.

1020
01:10:52,249 --> 01:10:53,684
Good to see you.

1021
01:11:35,058 --> 01:11:36,360
OK.

1022
01:11:37,427 --> 01:11:39,096
Big stash.

1023
01:11:43,634 --> 01:11:44,634
There you go.

1024
01:11:44,701 --> 01:11:46,470
Thanks to welfare.

1025
01:11:54,978 --> 01:11:58,148
And then, see,
he works part-time for me now,

1026
01:11:58,248 --> 01:12:00,717
so he'll help me in my business.

1027
01:12:00,818 --> 01:12:04,087
So we got this mutual thing
going there.

1028
01:12:04,188 --> 01:12:05,422
What do you do?

1029
01:12:05,522 --> 01:12:07,524
I do private parties.

1030
01:12:07,624 --> 01:12:09,893
I'm an entertainer, too,
and he's...

1031
01:12:09,993 --> 01:12:12,296
He comes a lot,
he carries my shit in and out,

1032
01:12:12,396 --> 01:12:14,865
cos I go do private parties
in people's houses,

1033
01:12:14,965 --> 01:12:16,834
he carries the shit
in and out for me.

1034
01:12:16,934 --> 01:12:18,368
What kind of work do you do?

1035
01:12:18,468 --> 01:12:21,305
I paint apartments,
do some plumbing.

1036
01:12:22,906 --> 01:12:24,041
Movie extra work.

1037
01:12:24,141 --> 01:12:26,577
Well, that sounds pretty bad.

1038
01:12:26,677 --> 01:12:29,947
Well, it's not good news.

1039
01:12:30,047 --> 01:12:31,748
But it's better than the gas chamber.

1040
01:12:34,351 --> 01:12:36,453
How many 40 ounces
do you drink a day?

1041
01:12:37,788 --> 01:12:39,790
I don't know, about two or three,
sometimes four,

1042
01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:42,559
sometimes six, sometimes eight.

1043
01:12:43,894 --> 01:12:45,596
How many before you pass out?

1044
01:12:47,097 --> 01:12:48,832
Probably around six.

1045
01:12:50,634 --> 01:12:52,536
Do you pretty much
pass out every night?

1046
01:12:53,503 --> 01:12:55,572
No, I'm...

1047
01:12:55,672 --> 01:12:58,041
Some nights I don't even sleep.

1048
01:12:58,141 --> 01:12:59,176
How is, uh...

1049
01:12:59,276 --> 01:13:04,081
Has El Duce's alcoholism
ever affected shows?

1050
01:13:04,181 --> 01:13:06,984
I mean, I love being
in the band and everything,

1051
01:13:07,084 --> 01:13:09,686
but it's affected the band
to such a degree

1052
01:13:09,786 --> 01:13:13,590
that probably only 50%
of the shows we're gonna do

1053
01:13:13,690 --> 01:13:14,858
are gonna be any good,

1054
01:13:14,958 --> 01:13:17,327
just due to the fact
of the alcohol problem.

1055
01:13:17,427 --> 01:13:19,830
I mean there's been more shows
than I could count

1056
01:13:19,930 --> 01:13:21,999
where he's been so out of it

1057
01:13:22,099 --> 01:13:26,703
that he literally could not even play,
barely even talk.

1058
01:13:28,872 --> 01:13:30,841
He's even gotten sloppy
on his drums,

1059
01:13:30,941 --> 01:13:33,110
I mean there's another side of...

1060
01:13:33,210 --> 01:13:34,811
he just cruises.

1061
01:13:34,912 --> 01:13:39,383
And his lyrics? Shit. It's the same
variations of the same crap.

1062
01:13:39,483 --> 01:13:42,586
He's lazy about that,
he can't even write lyrics anymore,

1063
01:13:42,686 --> 01:13:45,622
he just goes and improvises
recordings and everything.

1064
01:14:04,174 --> 01:14:07,144
So that has been
extremely detrimental,

1065
01:14:07,244 --> 01:14:10,914
now of course there has been a lot
of times when it's been humorous...

1066
01:14:11,014 --> 01:14:14,151
El Duce might get mad
about this one,

1067
01:14:14,251 --> 01:14:18,722
but this one place in Florida
where he was frying...

1068
01:14:18,822 --> 01:14:23,393
I'm going to fucking get in the ring,
and I'm gonna...

1069
01:14:23,493 --> 01:14:24,928
Ooh!

1070
01:14:25,996 --> 01:14:28,098
Yeah. Maybe I'm gonna be a wrestler.

1071
01:14:29,967 --> 01:14:32,302
The Billygoat!

1072
01:14:32,402 --> 01:14:33,780
Everybody thought he was
talking to somebody, like,

1073
01:14:33,804 --> 01:14:37,808
"Who is he talking to?"
This was, like, four hours' talking,

1074
01:14:37,908 --> 01:14:42,980
you know, all this shit,
like the wrestling guys in WWE?

1075
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,482
Doing all that shit for four hours,

1076
01:14:45,582 --> 01:14:49,619
and finally I got up to see
who he was talking to,

1077
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:51,288
and he's talking in the mirror.

1078
01:14:51,388 --> 01:14:55,158
He'd say stuff about,
"Yeah, I'm gonna kick this guy's ass."

1079
01:14:55,258 --> 01:14:57,461
You know, he's doing all...

1080
01:14:58,695 --> 01:15:00,564
That was really funny.

1081
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,137
I'm going to take on anyone,
I'll lose the match, who cares?

1082
01:15:08,338 --> 01:15:11,541
I'll get the chicks
and the money afterwards.

1083
01:15:11,641 --> 01:15:15,779
Do you feel that the band kind
of keeps him from getting clean?

1084
01:15:16,847 --> 01:15:18,115
Uh...

1085
01:15:20,083 --> 01:15:23,587
Well no, no, I don't think so,
I don't think so.

1086
01:15:23,687 --> 01:15:26,556
I mean, to a certain extent,
his persona of El Duce

1087
01:15:26,656 --> 01:15:29,826
is being, you know,
this rock and roll party animal.

1088
01:15:31,228 --> 01:15:35,632
Sure, that reinforces
that behavior to a certain extent.

1089
01:15:36,566 --> 01:15:40,404
But to point to any one thing and say,
"That's why he's the way he is,"

1090
01:15:40,504 --> 01:15:45,208
or "If he wasn't doing that,
he wouldn't be drinking,"

1091
01:15:45,308 --> 01:15:47,644
I don't think one can make
those statements or assumptions.

1092
01:15:47,744 --> 01:15:50,680
I think alcoholism
is a very tricky thing

1093
01:15:50,781 --> 01:15:53,717
and certainly there's millions
of alcoholics in the world

1094
01:15:53,817 --> 01:15:55,485
who aren't in rock bands,

1095
01:15:55,585 --> 01:15:59,656
you know, your doctors,
lawyers, truck drivers...

1096
01:15:59,756 --> 01:16:01,191
Drug abuse and alcoholism,

1097
01:16:01,291 --> 01:16:03,660
they're chronic endemic problems
with people,

1098
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,329
and it's not necessarily
attributed to any one thing

1099
01:16:06,430 --> 01:16:08,465
or any two or three things.

1100
01:16:08,565 --> 01:16:13,203
I started messing around
with Vodka 100 Proof Smirnoff,

1101
01:16:13,303 --> 01:16:15,205
the blue bottles,

1102
01:16:15,305 --> 01:16:18,108
and I was drinking that shit,
a fifth a day,

1103
01:16:18,208 --> 01:16:20,677
and that just tears your shit right up.

1104
01:16:21,678 --> 01:16:24,081
Your shit is gone within a month.

1105
01:16:25,048 --> 01:16:27,384
You know, drinking that stiff.

1106
01:16:27,484 --> 01:16:31,121
Cos I thought I was Superman,
I could do anything, you know.

1107
01:16:32,422 --> 01:16:36,526
And then I woke up in the hospital,

1108
01:16:36,626 --> 01:16:38,628
tubes stuck in my arms and stuff,

1109
01:16:38,728 --> 01:16:42,299
and I was like,
"I got to do something."

1110
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,203
They gave me all these
knock-out pills and shit,

1111
01:16:46,303 --> 01:16:48,738
so that I could kick the booze.

1112
01:16:51,074 --> 01:16:53,477
And then I drifted back into drinking,

1113
01:16:53,577 --> 01:16:55,412
but now all I drink is...

1114
01:16:56,746 --> 01:16:58,682
Cos I can kind of control it.

1115
01:17:00,083 --> 01:17:03,353
You know, having grown up
with the guy,

1116
01:17:03,453 --> 01:17:04,893
being a close friend and everything,

1117
01:17:04,921 --> 01:17:06,857
nobody wants to see
somebody they know

1118
01:17:06,957 --> 01:17:09,493
destroy themselves in that way,
but you know...

1119
01:17:10,927 --> 01:17:13,930
You now, I kind of, to a certain extent,
wash my hands of it.

1120
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:17,167
I sort of made my attempt
to get him clean,

1121
01:17:17,267 --> 01:17:19,503
it didn't really work, and, uh...

1122
01:17:19,603 --> 01:17:21,438
I just let him live his own life now.

1123
01:17:21,538 --> 01:17:23,573
Whatever he's going to do,
he's going to do.

1124
01:17:23,673 --> 01:17:25,575
I can't assume
any responsibility for him

1125
01:17:25,675 --> 01:17:28,378
in terms of his own personal wellbeing.

1126
01:17:43,827 --> 01:17:45,795
When do you feel bad for him?

1127
01:17:48,031 --> 01:17:53,470
When I see him, like, with a bottle,
half of a bottle of vodka in his hand.

1128
01:17:55,005 --> 01:17:58,441
And he just wants to be duced,

1129
01:17:58,542 --> 01:18:02,512
cos I know that thought,
I have been there, too.

1130
01:18:02,612 --> 01:18:05,148
And it's just...

1131
01:18:05,248 --> 01:18:08,185
I don't want to go
back there anymore.

1132
01:18:08,285 --> 01:18:10,086
And he's...

1133
01:18:10,187 --> 01:18:13,990
It took such incredible will
for me to get out of that,

1134
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:15,225
and I don't think...

1135
01:18:15,325 --> 01:18:17,460
I mean, I know Eldon
doesn't have that will.

1136
01:18:17,561 --> 01:18:20,363
He doesn't even have
the will to, you know,

1137
01:18:20,463 --> 01:18:23,667
get a regular place to stay,

1138
01:18:23,767 --> 01:18:25,802
and clothes and shower,

1139
01:18:25,902 --> 01:18:28,505
and that's too much responsibility.

1140
01:18:28,605 --> 01:18:32,509
You have to be so determined
in mind, and he just isn't.

1141
01:18:34,678 --> 01:18:37,447
So, where do you live?

1142
01:18:38,548 --> 01:18:41,084
Well, it depends on my attitude.

1143
01:18:42,052 --> 01:18:44,888
Either jail,
cardboard condominium,

1144
01:18:44,988 --> 01:18:48,558
Sickie Wifebeater's,
Dr. Heathen Scum's.

1145
01:18:48,658 --> 01:18:50,293
I do the couch tour.

1146
01:18:54,164 --> 01:18:55,265
Um...

1147
01:18:56,266 --> 01:18:58,535
It's like being on the road.

1148
01:18:58,635 --> 01:19:01,504
But I'm on the road
in one little area.

1149
01:19:06,810 --> 01:19:08,712
It makes me a nervous wreck.

1150
01:19:08,812 --> 01:19:10,580
Makes me want to drink more.

1151
01:19:11,581 --> 01:19:16,119
I'm going to show you
how real kings live.

1152
01:19:18,255 --> 01:19:20,523
Who needs a job?
You do.

1153
01:19:21,791 --> 01:19:24,060
Who needs the booze?
I do.

1154
01:19:25,228 --> 01:19:28,331
Who's an asshole?
You are.

1155
01:19:28,431 --> 01:19:31,868
Who's a creep?
I am.

1156
01:19:31,968 --> 01:19:34,971
Let's get out a dictionary
and write down the words.

1157
01:19:45,982 --> 01:19:48,285
It's funny how you find
your real friends.

1158
01:19:48,385 --> 01:19:51,354
Last time I saw him,
he was living in a box.

1159
01:19:52,289 --> 01:19:53,323
Oh, yeah!

1160
01:19:53,423 --> 01:19:56,860
He was living in a box
on the side of the highway in LA.

1161
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,996
We got to Hollywood,
and we pulled over,

1162
01:20:00,096 --> 01:20:04,968
I mean we're, like, sitting
in this parking lot in our bus,

1163
01:20:05,068 --> 01:20:07,404
and all of a sudden
we hear this...

1164
01:20:07,504 --> 01:20:10,874
There's this empty, deserted,
like, broken-down cube truck,

1165
01:20:10,974 --> 01:20:13,710
and we hear this...

1166
01:20:13,810 --> 01:20:15,045
And then we look over there,

1167
01:20:15,145 --> 01:20:18,348
and this whole refrigerator box
falls out of the back,

1168
01:20:18,448 --> 01:20:21,351
and El Duce comes
crawling out of it.

1169
01:20:21,451 --> 01:20:23,720
And he looks up at us
and he goes,

1170
01:20:25,155 --> 01:20:26,289
"Gwar?"

1171
01:20:52,382 --> 01:20:53,717
Say, brother.

1172
01:20:53,817 --> 01:20:55,719
You wouldn't be able to spare a nickel?

1173
01:20:55,819 --> 01:20:57,020
Spare what?

1174
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,122
You wouldn't be able to spare
a nickel, could you?

1175
01:20:59,222 --> 01:21:01,191
Nickel, what is that?

1176
01:21:02,692 --> 01:21:03,893
A quarter.

1177
01:21:03,993 --> 01:21:06,763
Oh, you mean money?

1178
01:21:06,863 --> 01:21:08,703
What are you going to do
with that nickel, man?

1179
01:21:10,233 --> 01:21:12,736
- You are going to do what?
- Buy booze.

1180
01:21:12,836 --> 01:21:14,270
- Booze?
- Yeah.

1181
01:21:14,838 --> 01:21:16,272
Hey, Thirty...

1182
01:21:19,676 --> 01:21:22,045
How do we make money?

1183
01:21:22,145 --> 01:21:23,847
I bum.

1184
01:21:23,947 --> 01:21:26,149
Yeah, but how to be
a perfect bum?

1185
01:21:26,249 --> 01:21:28,585
Eldon Hoke.
That man's, like, true terror,

1186
01:21:28,685 --> 01:21:30,220
left and right.

1187
01:21:31,287 --> 01:21:33,123
That guy used to work
at the Ivar Theatre.

1188
01:21:33,223 --> 01:21:34,691
Get over here.

1189
01:21:34,791 --> 01:21:36,326
What?

1190
01:21:36,426 --> 01:21:38,628
Tell them what I'd do at the Ivar.

1191
01:21:38,728 --> 01:21:40,296
Tell them what I'd do at the Ivar.

1192
01:21:40,397 --> 01:21:44,200
In 1984, he used to work
as an announcer at the Ivar Theatre,

1193
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:46,436
which was a totally nude
burlesque theater.

1194
01:21:46,536 --> 01:21:49,472
That's where I became
an announcer also.

1195
01:21:49,572 --> 01:21:51,341
Tell them what we did
in the light booth.

1196
01:21:51,441 --> 01:21:54,110
I am not even going to speak
such things on camera. Sorry.

1197
01:21:54,210 --> 01:21:55,678
I grew up with him,

1198
01:21:55,779 --> 01:21:59,282
I watched him become El Duce,
you know, slowly.

1199
01:21:59,382 --> 01:22:03,219
I mean, from drawing
little chopped-off arms and axes

1200
01:22:03,319 --> 01:22:05,722
and torture scenes
in the fourth grade...

1201
01:22:06,589 --> 01:22:10,460
instead of Bambi pictures and shit.

1202
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:15,298
I mean, he's always been
real different.

1203
01:22:15,398 --> 01:22:17,758
Do you get along with her the best
of anyone in your family?

1204
01:22:17,801 --> 01:22:18,802
Yep.

1205
01:22:19,836 --> 01:22:21,538
I love my sister.

1206
01:22:22,505 --> 01:22:25,942
She's the only family I got, really.

1207
01:22:26,042 --> 01:22:30,947
Everyone else is gonna die
a gruesome death for their evil.

1208
01:22:46,563 --> 01:22:48,398
How would you like to die?

1209
01:22:48,498 --> 01:22:51,468
Uh, maybe a lethal injection,

1210
01:22:51,568 --> 01:22:54,204
or have me a...

1211
01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:57,407
hmm...

1212
01:22:59,242 --> 01:23:02,445
parachute without a parachute
that doesn't work.

1213
01:23:05,782 --> 01:23:07,050
Yeah.

1214
01:23:09,185 --> 01:23:12,722
The expression on their face
when they go.

1215
01:23:15,758 --> 01:23:18,127
Because they think they had
everything going together,

1216
01:23:18,228 --> 01:23:20,830
and then when it's time
for them to die,

1217
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:23,233
get a good look at them! Argh!

1218
01:23:26,769 --> 01:23:30,273
He talks a lot about death and dying.
How seriously do you take that?

1219
01:23:30,373 --> 01:23:33,209
Well, you know, he first started
coming up with that

1220
01:23:33,309 --> 01:23:35,612
about ten years ago,
he'd start saying stuff like,

1221
01:23:35,712 --> 01:23:38,414
"I have seen death and I want to die."

1222
01:23:39,516 --> 01:23:43,353
When he gets really drunk, he'll go off
onto this death trip he's got.

1223
01:23:43,453 --> 01:23:45,333
I guess when he first started
coming up with it,

1224
01:23:45,421 --> 01:23:51,227
I got pretty concerned about it,
I thought it was maybe indicative

1225
01:23:51,327 --> 01:23:53,496
of what was soon to follow.

1226
01:23:53,596 --> 01:23:56,499
And I'm certainly still worried
about him expiring early.

1227
01:23:56,599 --> 01:23:59,302
I mean, the guy's been a serious
alcoholic for 10 or 15 years.

1228
01:23:59,402 --> 01:24:02,171
Certainly, you know, I don't know
how much time he's got left,

1229
01:24:02,272 --> 01:24:07,777
but, again, I just sort
of close my mind to it.

1230
01:24:07,877 --> 01:24:11,915
I figure my only alternative
is to not associate with him.

1231
01:24:12,015 --> 01:24:13,650
I don't want to do that, I mean...

1232
01:24:13,750 --> 01:24:16,085
I enjoy being around the guy
when he is more or less sober.

1233
01:24:16,185 --> 01:24:18,488
I like working with him,
playing with him.

1234
01:24:18,588 --> 01:24:20,123
He is a friend of mine,

1235
01:24:20,223 --> 01:24:22,458
and I think I just have
to accept him for what he is,

1236
01:24:22,559 --> 01:24:27,363
and if part of what he is,
is to die early, then so be it,

1237
01:24:27,463 --> 01:24:29,999
although I don't think anybody
wants to see that.

1238
01:24:56,659 --> 01:24:58,394
Mm... yeah.

1239
01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:24,988
He is fascinated with people dying
and killing and getting hurt and all that,

1240
01:25:25,088 --> 01:25:27,190
but he seems to be a peaceful guy.

1241
01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:28,958
Yeah, he's harmless.

1242
01:25:29,692 --> 01:25:33,096
That's the ironic thing about it,
he's totally harmless.

1243
01:25:33,997 --> 01:25:35,665
Didn't seem like he'd hurt anybody.

1244
01:25:35,765 --> 01:25:39,068
He wouldn't.
He is absolutely nonviolent.

1245
01:25:39,168 --> 01:25:40,837
Do you mind
taking your mask off?

1246
01:25:49,312 --> 01:25:50,513
OK, put it back on.

1247
01:25:59,589 --> 01:26:02,425
I am an ugly motherfucker.

1248
01:26:02,525 --> 01:26:04,193
I admit it.

1249
01:26:05,995 --> 01:26:07,964
I don't care anymore.

1250
01:26:08,064 --> 01:26:12,101
Do you find his problem with alcohol
to be inhibiting?

1251
01:26:12,201 --> 01:26:14,203
No, see, that's his own thing.

1252
01:26:14,303 --> 01:26:16,739
He's always talking
about dying early and stuff,

1253
01:26:16,839 --> 01:26:19,308
and that freaks some people out,

1254
01:26:19,409 --> 01:26:24,213
but I figure we all got to go
at our own pace,

1255
01:26:24,313 --> 01:26:26,749
and maybe the alcohol
is preserving him.

1256
01:26:29,952 --> 01:26:33,222
It doesn't bother me.
I don't give a fuck what he does.

1257
01:26:40,563 --> 01:26:42,065
'...the value of your home.

1258
01:26:42,165 --> 01:26:45,001
'It's even tax-deductible,
so consult your CPA.

1259
01:26:45,101 --> 01:26:50,039
'That's 1-800-227-2888.
Preferred financial funding.'

1260
01:26:57,747 --> 01:27:01,184
Just because El Duce
is bald and ugly...

1261
01:27:03,219 --> 01:27:06,889
uses cheap cardboard drums,

1262
01:27:06,989 --> 01:27:11,794
doesn't mean you have the right
to sneak in there

1263
01:27:11,894 --> 01:27:14,363
and stick your little
peekaboo camera up there.

1264
01:27:21,237 --> 01:27:23,406
I like to have people afraid of me.

1265
01:27:24,741 --> 01:27:27,677
- Uh, El...
- Don't do that.

1266
01:27:31,047 --> 01:27:32,381
No.

1267
01:27:36,819 --> 01:27:38,121
El!

1268
01:27:40,723 --> 01:27:42,058
Oh, God.

1269
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,069
Whatever it takes for entertainment.

1270
01:28:09,185 --> 01:28:10,953
♪ Don't stop

1271
01:28:11,053 --> 01:28:12,955
♪ Thinking about tomorrow

1272
01:28:13,055 --> 01:28:14,857
♪ Don't stop

1273
01:28:14,957 --> 01:28:17,326
♪ It'll soon be here

1274
01:28:17,426 --> 01:28:18,861
♪ It'll be here

1275
01:28:18,961 --> 01:28:20,830
♪ Better than before

1276
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:22,698
♪ Yesterday's gone

1277
01:28:22,799 --> 01:28:24,767
♪ Yesterday's gone

1278
01:28:24,867 --> 01:28:26,803
♪ Don't stop

1279
01:28:26,903 --> 01:28:28,738
♪ Thinking about tomorrow

1280
01:28:28,838 --> 01:28:30,706
♪ Don't stop

1281
01:28:30,807 --> 01:28:32,875
♪ It'll soon be here ♪

1282
01:28:45,955 --> 01:28:48,791
- Yes! Huh-huh!
- Uh-huh! Huh!

1283
01:28:48,891 --> 01:28:50,793
This kicks butt!

1284
01:28:50,893 --> 01:28:52,128
Huh-huh! Huh-huh!

1285
01:28:52,862 --> 01:28:54,363
Nirvana is cool.

1286
01:28:54,463 --> 01:28:56,833
- Huh-huh! Huh-huh!
- Yeah! Huh-huh...

1287
01:29:09,312 --> 01:29:12,281
See, I went through all
of our videos over here.

1288
01:29:12,381 --> 01:29:13,583
Check it out.

1289
01:29:13,683 --> 01:29:17,286
I have been archiving videos
since I bought a video camera last year,

1290
01:29:17,386 --> 01:29:19,288
and I got all the good shit in here

1291
01:29:19,388 --> 01:29:22,592
that's going to kick ass
royally on this garbage.

1292
01:29:22,692 --> 01:29:26,495
So sit back
and enjoy the El Duce,

1293
01:29:26,596 --> 01:29:28,698
the man, the myth, the video...

1294
01:29:30,099 --> 01:29:33,302
and make sure you show it
to all your friends.

1295
01:29:40,543 --> 01:29:42,712
No, No, don't do...
El, El, El...

1296
01:29:42,812 --> 01:29:44,780
Don't do this right out
in the open like that.

1297
01:29:48,017 --> 01:29:51,520
Look at the queer-looking dudes
that call themselves rock.

1298
01:29:51,621 --> 01:29:54,824
I say fucking Poison,
suck some cock.

1299
01:29:57,126 --> 01:29:59,795
Let me bless my beer.

1300
01:29:59,896 --> 01:30:02,331
This is how you drink your beer
when you're a real man.

1301
01:30:09,372 --> 01:30:11,073
The beer gods.

1302
01:30:11,173 --> 01:30:15,845
I am the king that knows
how to drink beer, watch me.

1303
01:31:43,599 --> 01:31:45,134
Let's do it, dude!

1304
01:31:45,234 --> 01:31:47,903
OK, how about some Duce
nude in the jacuzzi?

1305
01:31:48,004 --> 01:31:49,305
Yeah!

1306
01:31:49,405 --> 01:31:50,740
Get out of here!

1307
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,075
Come on, let's go. Come on.

1308
01:32:46,829 --> 01:32:49,131
There is no doubt,
Courtney knowing him well,

1309
01:32:49,231 --> 01:32:51,867
would know, hey, if I wanted to hire
somebody to kill somebody,

1310
01:32:51,967 --> 01:32:53,302
El Duce would be the man.

1311
01:32:53,402 --> 01:32:55,013
- He would be liable to do it.
- Like that.

1312
01:32:55,037 --> 01:32:58,274
Is that... looks like him
right there actually.

1313
01:32:58,374 --> 01:33:00,076
That is... That's the one.

1314
01:33:00,176 --> 01:33:02,478
There he is, El Duce.

1315
01:33:02,578 --> 01:33:04,613
Where? I don't see him.

1316
01:33:04,713 --> 01:33:06,982
There he is right there.
So, he's, uh...

1317
01:33:07,083 --> 01:33:09,085
Hey, I got some...

1318
01:33:09,185 --> 01:33:11,554
You did some deal
with Courtney, right?

1319
01:33:11,654 --> 01:33:12,755
Yeah.

1320
01:33:12,855 --> 01:33:15,391
She offered me 50 grand
to whack Kurt Cobain.

1321
01:33:15,491 --> 01:33:17,836
But did she tell you how
she wanted you to kill Kurt Cobain?

1322
01:33:17,860 --> 01:33:19,862
Yeah, she said
blow his fucking head off.

1323
01:33:19,962 --> 01:33:21,630
I got the shotgun.

1324
01:33:21,730 --> 01:33:24,266
- But she didn't say anything...
- Make it look like a suicide.

1325
01:33:24,366 --> 01:33:27,303
Well, yeah, but if he blew out
his brains like you said...

1326
01:33:59,969 --> 01:34:02,304
'Hello, you've reached
The Mentors hotline.

1327
01:34:02,404 --> 01:34:05,541
'If you are calling regarding
the rumors about El Duce,

1328
01:34:05,641 --> 01:34:07,843
'we're sorry to report
that they are indeed true.

1329
01:34:07,943 --> 01:34:09,378
'El Duce is deceased,

1330
01:34:09,478 --> 01:34:13,249
'and he was hit by a train
two Saturday nights ago.

1331
01:34:14,416 --> 01:34:16,152
'Thank you very much
for your condolences.

1332
01:34:16,252 --> 01:34:18,687
'They're greatly appreciated.'

1333
01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:36,839
You know how they found El Duce?

1334
01:34:37,940 --> 01:34:40,309
- Dead?
- Found him dead with no head.

1335
01:34:40,409 --> 01:34:42,244
Found him on train tracks

1336
01:34:42,344 --> 01:34:45,047
with his head on one side
and his body on the other.

1337
01:34:45,981 --> 01:34:49,151
The passing of an American genius.

1338
01:34:52,788 --> 01:34:54,823
El Duce had to leave,

1339
01:34:54,924 --> 01:34:58,294
he had to catch a train... with his face.

1340
01:35:07,970 --> 01:35:09,605
Having maybe reached

1341
01:35:09,705 --> 01:35:13,175
the apex of commercial viability
with The Mentors,

1342
01:35:13,275 --> 01:35:16,212
why not now just play
a type of music

1343
01:35:16,312 --> 01:35:18,581
that you have always
wanted to play?

1344
01:35:18,681 --> 01:35:21,183
Well, I think we do,
we do play what we want to play.

1345
01:35:21,283 --> 01:35:23,886
Right now,
it's what we want to play.

1346
01:35:23,986 --> 01:35:25,630
You don't feel the need
to go off and, uh...

1347
01:35:25,654 --> 01:35:27,489
I mean, El Duce
doesn't feel the need

1348
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:30,826
to find his fusion roots again?

1349
01:35:31,961 --> 01:35:33,481
- Uh, no.
- I'm just getting back to...

1350
01:35:33,529 --> 01:35:36,398
Yeah, I know what you're saying.
I know exactly what you're saying.

1351
01:35:36,498 --> 01:35:38,334
When we started out,
it was contrived

1352
01:35:38,434 --> 01:35:40,970
to the extent I've already described.

1353
01:35:41,070 --> 01:35:43,405
But that... we're way
past that point now.

1354
01:35:43,505 --> 01:35:45,107
It's no longer a contrived thing,

1355
01:35:45,207 --> 01:35:50,813
it's a real legitimate
artistic thing that we do,

1356
01:35:50,913 --> 01:35:54,683
and there's very little pretense
behind it of that nature.

1357
01:35:54,783 --> 01:35:57,019
So I think we are doing
what we want to do.

1358
01:36:01,657 --> 01:36:03,792
I mean, I guess...

1359
01:36:03,892 --> 01:36:07,663
I think El would've wound up
the same way

1360
01:36:07,763 --> 01:36:10,332
whether or not he was ever
in The Mentors.

1361
01:36:10,432 --> 01:36:14,136
And so I guess I'm glad that, um...

1362
01:36:16,272 --> 01:36:19,975
he was in The Mentors so he will be
remembered for something.

1363
01:36:20,075 --> 01:36:21,910
El Duce, this is for you.

1364
01:36:22,011 --> 01:36:24,613
I hope you roll in your fucking grave!

1365
01:36:33,822 --> 01:36:36,325
♪ Sandwich of love

1366
01:36:36,425 --> 01:36:38,861
♪ It's the sandwich of love ♪

1367
01:36:39,962 --> 01:36:41,830
"Bend up
and smell my anal vapor.

1368
01:36:41,930 --> 01:36:44,433
"Your face is my toilet paper.

1369
01:36:44,533 --> 01:36:46,335
"On your face
I leave a shit tower.

1370
01:36:46,435 --> 01:36:48,003
"Golden showers.

1371
01:36:48,103 --> 01:36:50,239
"Golden showers."

1372
01:36:50,339 --> 01:36:51,707
I'm sorry, your time has expired.

1373
01:36:51,807 --> 01:36:53,008
Duce!

1374
01:36:53,108 --> 01:36:55,778
When you took a mic stand
and you shoved it in your ass,

1375
01:36:55,878 --> 01:36:58,013
and you hit me with it,

1376
01:36:58,113 --> 01:37:00,816
I felt like I graduated
from high school.

1377
01:37:00,916 --> 01:37:02,651
- Well, congratulations.
- Thanks.

1378
01:37:02,751 --> 01:37:06,955
This kind of thing might have
a big enough of an impact.

1379
01:37:07,056 --> 01:37:09,725
It said what it needed to say
in such a concise

1380
01:37:09,825 --> 01:37:11,627
yet humorous and pungent fashion

1381
01:37:11,727 --> 01:37:14,630
that I could see it
making a lasting impact.

1382
01:37:14,730 --> 01:37:17,800
♪ I know you want it,
you're a good girl ♪

1383
01:37:30,312 --> 01:37:32,147
♪ Vaginoplasty

1384
01:37:33,949 --> 01:37:36,218
♪ I keep it nasty ♪

1385
01:37:36,318 --> 01:37:38,887
You've spoken out
against all these... people.

1386
01:37:38,987 --> 01:37:41,156
Like, you say
you don't hire gay people.

1387
01:37:41,256 --> 01:37:42,157
No, no, no.

1388
01:37:42,257 --> 01:37:44,102
They're not as bad as women,
but no, I don't hire gays.

1389
01:37:44,126 --> 01:37:46,829
- But you know that's not...
- No, they're really...

1390
01:37:46,929 --> 01:37:48,764
- But you know that's just...
- Just kidding.

1391
01:37:48,864 --> 01:37:50,299
You're easy.

1392
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:56,338
What if you control the entire world?

1393
01:37:56,438 --> 01:37:59,641
Somebody who could rise
to political power,

1394
01:37:59,742 --> 01:38:02,244
through nothing more
than pushing people's buttons

1395
01:38:02,344 --> 01:38:03,946
and getting them all riled up.

1396
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:12,087
There's a bunch of famous musicians
who were trying to close down Gitmo,

1397
01:38:12,187 --> 01:38:13,889
and they are enraged,

1398
01:38:13,989 --> 01:38:16,325
thinking that perhaps
their music was being used

1399
01:38:16,425 --> 01:38:18,193
as torture against these inmates.

1400
01:38:18,293 --> 01:38:20,629
How do you feel about that?

1401
01:38:20,729 --> 01:38:23,866
Well, I mean, rock 'n' roll has been
an instrument of torture

1402
01:38:23,966 --> 01:38:25,667
for as long as I can remember.

1403
01:38:25,768 --> 01:38:27,870
♪ It should be legal to rape men

1404
01:38:27,970 --> 01:38:29,772
♪ I'd never be alone again

1405
01:38:29,872 --> 01:38:31,774
♪ I'd even let them fuck me raw

1406
01:38:31,874 --> 01:38:34,009
♪ Why is it against the law? ♪

1407
01:38:34,109 --> 01:38:38,113
And there are like one, two,
three, four, five, six, seven Fs

1408
01:38:38,213 --> 01:38:39,448
in front of the 4th of July.

1409
01:38:39,548 --> 01:38:41,583
What does that signify if anything?

1410
01:38:41,683 --> 01:38:43,252
♪ Find her, feel her

1411
01:38:43,352 --> 01:38:45,187
♪ Fuck her, forget her ♪

1412
01:38:46,555 --> 01:38:52,227
Last night, the number one trending topic
on Twitter was Obama Farewell.

1413
01:38:52,327 --> 01:38:55,130
And the second trending topic,
no kidding,

1414
01:38:55,230 --> 01:38:57,766
was "Golden Showers".

1415
01:39:00,369 --> 01:39:04,807
I think he's very proud
of what he has done with his life.

1416
01:39:04,907 --> 01:39:09,678
I think he's very cognizant
of the fact that he is creating art,

1417
01:39:09,778 --> 01:39:12,047
and does consider himself
an artist.

1418
01:39:13,215 --> 01:39:15,017
I mean, he shocked
and grossed people out,

1419
01:39:15,117 --> 01:39:16,385
that's what he wanted to do.

1420
01:39:16,485 --> 01:39:19,054
And he was the best at it,
but it killed him inside.

1421
01:39:20,289 --> 01:39:21,723
I mean, who wants to go around

1422
01:39:21,824 --> 01:39:25,694
being the biggest, fattest,
grossest, most disgusting thing?

1423
01:39:36,605 --> 01:39:37,906
Yep.

1424
01:39:42,644 --> 01:39:44,246
It's art.

1425
01:44:06,842 --> 01:44:09,077
See you in hell!

1426
01:44:13,715 --> 01:44:16,651
No, better yet,
I'm in heaven. Bleurgh!

1427
01:44:16,752 --> 01:44:18,086
Fooled ya!